Posted on 02/05/2005 6:30:51 PM PST by quidnunc
The key to understanding Lincoln's Philosophy of Statesmanship is that he always sought the meeting point between what was right in theory and what could be achieved in practice.
Most Americans — including most historians — regard Abraham Lincoln as the nation's greatest president. But in recent years powerful movements have gathered, both on the political right and the left, to condemn Lincoln as a flawed and even wicked man.
For both camps, the debunking of Lincoln usually begins with an exposé of the "Lincoln myth," which is well described in William Lee Miller's 2002 book Lincoln's Virtues: An Ethical Biography. How odd it is, Miller writes, that an "unschooled" politician "from the raw frontier villages of Illinois and Indiana" could become such a great president. "He was the myth made real," Miller writes, "rising from an actual Kentucky cabin made of actual Kentucky logs all the way to the actual White House."
Lincoln's critics have done us all a service by showing that the actual author of the myth is Abraham Lincoln himself. It was Lincoln who, over the years, carefully crafted the public image of himself as Log Cabin Lincoln, Honest Abe and the rest of it. Asked to describe his early life, Lincoln answered, "the short and simple annals of the poor," referring to Thomas Gray's poem "Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard." Lincoln disclaimed great aspirations for himself, noting that if people did not vote for him, he would return to obscurity, for he was, after all, used to disappointments.
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The court packing was done by Republicans after Lincoln's death. Not as extensively as Stanton had forecast, but it was done nonetheless. It was used against President Johnson and in support of President Grant.
Stanton possibly couldn't have foreseen that Lincoln would simply ignore the courts. That certainly fits with 'Laws Higher than the Constitution'. Lincoln didn't need to pack the court if he was simply going to ignore courts, backed by the army.
Lincoln didn't do it personally, but his troops did it. Examples:
W W Glenn, Frank Key Howard, Thomas W Hall, Samuel Sands Mills - Editors or proprietors of Baltimore papers arrested by Feds. Mills was arrested at least twice. Some of these men were not released until 14 months later.
J R Flanders, F D Flanders - Editors of the Gazette, Franklin Co, NY. Arrested by Feds for disloyal utterances. The Gazette was excluded from the mail.
I could easily provide names, dates, etc. but I am trying to engage in conversation here, not write a dissertation.
You may have to spell out what the Slaveocrats meant by the code words, "property and instutions"
S L A V E R Y
Most southerners, the vast majority, did NOT own slaves. Nor would they have died to protect the right of slave-owners to own slaves. "Slaveocrats"??? Please.
Neener neener neener!
And while you're at it, count your blessings.
May God forgive me for forgetting to be thankful that may ancestors were slaughtered and starved, that the women were raped, that defenseless old men, women and children watched at their homes were looted and burned, their valuables stolen, their livestock destroyed, their crops burned.
Forgive me for forgetting to praise those that invaded the state, that ruled us by military law, that raided our treauries, that plundered our states of anything not nailed down, of raising taxes until our ancestors couldn't afford their land, only to see them taken by Yankees that have them to this day.
We are ever grateful </sarcasm>
The south could have won, and you could have wound up under a larger, more intrusive government.
One that term limited the President, banned pork projects, prohibted federal payments for cost overruns, banned protectionist tariffs, limited legislative bills to single issues so expressed in the title, invoked the "favor and guidance of Almighty God", allowed cabinet officers to sit in legislative sessions, granted Congress the power to prohibit the importation of any additional slaves (even those from the US), and required that any bill raising taxes must receive at least a 2/3 majority vote to pass.
That's your definition of 'larger, more intrusive government'?
No, you're making claims and not backing them up.
Psssst, Yankees voted to allow slavery, and had practiced it for decades. It was LEGAL under the Constitution. Many a yankee fortune was built by sailing to Africa to pick up a load of human cargo, and tossing any sick overboard during the Middle Passages.
" --- Within a week almost every farm cabin and settlment in southern Minnesota was wiped out and most inhabitants murdered with devilish barbarities. -- "
25 Cinci kid
I repeat, this is not a court room nor am I defending a dissertation. Therefore, I shall assert whatever I damn well please, and you can tie yourself in knots to my great pleasure.
I am! As far as I am concerned, Lincoln begat Clinton.
Over 30% of white Southerners lived in slave owning households. The percentage was even higher in the deep south.
Nor would they have died to protect the right of slave-owners to own slaves.
With the alternative firmly planted in their mind of four million free blacks competing with poor whites for land and jobs, of the fire eaters preaching how their wives and daughters would be raped and pillaged by blacks, assorted other propagandists telling them the "Black Lincoln" and the "Black Republicans" surely intended to make the blacks the masters and the whites their slaves, and with visions of slave rebellions, especially in areas where slaves far outnumbered whites, many non-slaveowning (read poor) whites, certainly did die to preserve their "institution".
--- various hotheads on both sides destroyed the Republic and impoverished half the nation for decades.
41 R man
Read "Why They Fought".
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Source: http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/dakota/dak_chrono.html
Actually, this is one by pure states, the Indians won in a romp. More than 500 Americans died. 60 Dakota Souix died in the fighting that lasted 37 days.
Chronology of the Dakota Conflict (Sioux Uprising) Trials
| July 23,1851 | In the Treaty of Traverse des Sioux, Two bands of Dakota cede to the U.S. lands in southwestern portions of the Minnesota Territory (as well as portions of Iowa and South Dakota) for $1.665 million in cash and annuities. |
| August 5, 1851 | In the Treaty of Mendota, Two other band of Dakota cede to the U.S. lands in southeastern portions of the Minnesota Territory for $1.41 million in cash and annuitities. |
| Summer, 1851 | 7,000 Dakota are moved to two reservations bordering the Minnesota River in southwestern Minnesota. |
| Spring, 1857 | A renegade band of Dakota kill forty Americans in northwest Iowa in what is called "the Spirit Lake Massacre." |
| 1858 | The Dakota cede additional land on the north bank of the Minnesota River, reducing the size of their reservation. |
| August, 1862 | Annuity payments are late and rumors circulate that payments, if they will be made at all, will not be in the customary gold because of the ongoing Civil War. Dakota plan to demand that future annuity payments be made directly to them, rather than through traders. Traders, learning of plan, refuse to sell provisions on credit, despite widespread hunger and starvation on the reservation. At a meeting called by Indian Agent Thomas Galbraith to resolve the impasse, Andrew Myrick, spokesman for the traders, says: "So far as I am concerned, if they are hungry, let them eat grass." |
| August 17, 1862 | Four Dakota kill five settlers near Litchfield. Councils are held among the Dakota on whether to wage war. Despite deep divisions on the issue, war is the chosen course. |
| August 18, 1862 | Groups of Dakota kill 44 Americans in attacks on the Redwood Agency and on federal troops advancing to the Agency in the hope of suppressing the uprising. Ten Americans are captured. |
| August 19, 1862 | Minnesota Governor Ramsey appoints Col. Henry Sibley to command American volunteer forces.Sixteen settlers are killed in Dakota attacks in and around New Ulm. Settlers crowd into a small barricaded area of New Ulm's main street. |
| August 20-21, 1862 | Dakota attack Fort Ridgely, but the Fort is successfully defended. |
| August 23, 1862 | About 650 Dakota attack New Ulm a second time. Most buildings in the town are burned. Although 34 die and 60 are wounded, the town is successfully defended. |
| August 25, 1862 | About 2,000 New Ulm refugees (mostly women, children, and wounded men) load into 153 wagons or set off on foot for Mankato, thirty miles away. |
| September 2, 1862 | In the Battle of Birch Coulee (near Morton), American troops suffer their greatest casualties of the war. |
| September 6, 1862 | Major General John Pope, having recently lost the Battle of Bull Run, is appointed commander of U.S. troops in the Northwest, charged with suppressing the Dakota uprising. |
| September 23, 1862 | The battle of Wood Lake is a decisive victory for American troops. While the Wood Lake fighting is in progress, Dakota opposed to continuation of the war take control of 269 American captives held near the Chippewa River. |
| September 26, 1862 | "Friendlies" release American captives. Col. Sibley enters Dakota camp and takes 1200 Dakota men, women, and children into custody. Over the next weeks, and additional 800 Dakota will surrender to American forces. In 37 days of fighting, the Dakota Conflict has claimed the lives of over 500 Americans and about 60 Dakota. |
| September 28, 1862 | Sibley appoints a five-member military commission to "try summarily" Dakota for "murder and other outrages" committed against Americans. Sixteen trials take place the same day. Ten Dakota are convicted and sentenced to be hanged, six are acquitted. Over the next six weeks, 393 Dakota are tried. |
| October 14, 1862 | At President Lincoln's cabinet meeting, the ongoing Dakota trials are discussed. Lincoln and several cabinet members are disturbed by General Pope's report on the trials and planned executions, and move to prevent precipitous action. |
| October 17, 1862 | General Pope tells Sibley that "the President directs that no executions be made without his sanction." |
| November 3, 1862 | The last of 393 trials is conducted, with 42 trials taking place on the last day. In all, 323 Dakota are convicted and 303 are sentenced to be hanged. All but 8 of those acquitted remained imprisoned at Camp Release. |
| November 9, 1862 | The 303 condemned Dakota are moved from the Lower Agency to Camp Lincoln, near Mankato. While passing through New Ulm, the captives are attacked by an angry mob. A few Dakota are killed and many injured. (Meanwhile, the 1700 uncondemned are moved to Fort Snelling, near St. Paul.) |
| November 10, 1862 | Pope forwards to the President names of those condemned. Lincoln asks for "a full and complete record of their convictions" and "a careful statement" indicating "the more guilty and influential of the culprits." |
| November 15, 1862 | Pope forwards records of the trials to President Lincoln, together with a letter urging Lincoln to authorize execution of all of the condemned and warning of mob violence if the executions did not go forward. |
| Late November, 1862 | Rev. Riggs and Bishop Whipple urge clemency for Dakota involved in battles and executions only for those proven to have committed rape or killed women or children. |
| December 4, 1862 | Several hundred civilians, armed with hatchets, clubs, and knives, attack the camp where the condemned Dakota are being held, but are surrounded and disarmed by soldiers. |
| December 6, 1862 | President Lincoln issues an order allowing only 39 of the planned 300 executions to go forward. The execution of one additional condemned man is suspended later after new evidence casts doubt upon his guilt. |
| December 24, 1862 | The 38 condemned Dakota are allowed to meet with their families for the last time. |
| December 26, 1862 | At 10 a.m., the condemned, singing and chanting Dakota songs, are led to the scaffolds in Mankato. Three drumbeats signal the moment of execution, the crowd cheers. Bodies are buried in a single grave on the edge of town. |
| April, 1863 | Congress enacts a law providing for the removal of Dakota bands from Minnesota. Most of the Dakota community will be moved to South Dakota. The convicted prisoners who were not executed are moved to Camp McClellan near Davenport, Iowa. |
| March 22, 1866 | President Andrew Johnson orders release of the 177 surviving prisoners. |
| 1863 to 1890 | Sioux Wars continue, finally ending in the Battle at Wounded Knee, South Dakota, in 1890. |
Nice map. So what?
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