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Not Your Father’s Churchill - You couldn’t make up faculty antics like these
City Journal ^ | 2-4-05 | Katherine Ernst.

Posted on 02/04/2005 4:38:34 PM PST by Indy Pendance

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1 posted on 02/04/2005 4:38:34 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

Have the good Chancellor invite Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter to speak. You know, in the interest of free speech and all!


2 posted on 02/04/2005 4:41:41 PM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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To: Indy Pendance

What annoys me to no end is that these supposedly learned academics do not comprehend the simple concept of free speech. It means that the law will not prevent you from speaking your mind. It does not, I repeat not, mean that others, whether taxpayers or employers, are compelled to subsidize this speech. What is so difficult about this? I think their ignorance is a self-serving and determined refusal to recognize the truth.


3 posted on 02/04/2005 4:43:37 PM PST by Blennos (hoste, opto ut seis felicior.)
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To: Indy Pendance
Free Speech:

Churchill's right to say whatever he wants, and my right to tell him that he is an idiot.

Not Free Speech:

Churchill's right to say whatever he wants, and I can't criticize it because it is "protected speech" due to its controversial nature.

APf
4 posted on 02/04/2005 4:46:39 PM PST by APFel (For some reason, the word "Freeper" is flagged by the spellcheck. Someone contact Websters.)
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To: speed_addiction

Oh, jeepers, have Ann Coulter "debate" Churchill, if she would bother to appear anywhere near him.


5 posted on 02/04/2005 4:47:18 PM PST by Bahbah
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I have heard Judge Andrew Napolitano, on Fox News, say several times today that it would be illegal to fire Churchill because the right of tenured professors to say ANYTHING they want to say is settled law...under the context of free speech. He said if the university tries to fire Churchill they will end up owing lawyer's fees and a big settlement--plus they will be ordered to reinstate him. I just HOPE this is not true.


6 posted on 02/04/2005 4:48:44 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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No kidding. Free speech means that people have the right to say what they want, yet there are consequences to those words. I don't grasp how that escapes liberals.


7 posted on 02/04/2005 4:51:00 PM PST by FairfaxVA (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0. Zero rows returned!)
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"Let’s not shed a tear for our pal Ward should he wind up cleaning out his office. He’ll pop up on a public access channel soon enough. Or land an Ivy League fellowship.

Sad to say that is the plain truth. There are enough liberal Extremists in all of our institutions that, should he be properly terminated he likely will end up in a more lucrative bully pulpit very quickly. the Liberal Establishment will accept anything except Moderate or Conservative views which, as opposed to their espoused dedication to 'Free Speech' they denounce as 'Hate Speech from Nazis'. Pathetic.

8 posted on 02/04/2005 4:54:36 PM PST by drt1
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CU Interim Chancellor Phil DiStefano told the press, “While I personally find his views offensive, I also must support his right as an American citizen to hold and express his views, no matter how repugnant, as guaranteed by the First Amendment.”

The First Amendment means he won't go to jail for it. It doesn't mean he can keep his job, d*mb@ss. Consider, too, that his job is publicly funded.

the right to free speech is not a right to be heard or a right to hold on to a job.

Bingo. Any American of average intelligence should know that. Our founding fathers would be SO proud of us.</sarcasm>

9 posted on 02/04/2005 4:56:41 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Bahbah

"have Ann Coulter "debate" Churchill"

The problem is the lefties wouldn't let Coulter set foot on campus. That's their idea of free speech.


10 posted on 02/04/2005 4:57:02 PM PST by Spok
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This isn't the first time I've heard tenure gives a college prof license to say or do anything he wants, short of breaking a law.

Just *&#$ing lovely, ain't it?

11 posted on 02/04/2005 4:58:51 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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I have heard Judge Andrew Napolitano, on Fox News, say several times today that it would be illegal to fire Churchill because the right of tenured professors to say ANYTHING they want to say is settled law...under the context of free speech. He said if the university tries to fire Churchill they will end up owing lawyer's fees and a big settlement--plus they will be ordered to reinstate him. I just HOPE this is not true.

In this case, as Dickens, I think, stated in one of his novels, "The law are an ass". Imagine how fast the University would find a reason to fire this nincompoop if he said something against the PC canon. Imagine if he said, for example, that blacks are inferior or that women should stay at home and raise children. Imagine.

12 posted on 02/04/2005 4:59:18 PM PST by Blennos (hoste, opto ut seis felicior.)
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Napolitano claims that if Churchill taught at a private college he could be fired with ease, but that the courts have decided that no "state-funded" professor may be terminated for anything he says because that would be an infringement on his free speech. And if this is true, then yes, it is DISGUSTING.


13 posted on 02/04/2005 5:00:56 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Indy Pendance
Link to FR thread regarding a Rocky Mountain News article published today: Prof's Indian roots disputed (Churchill Lies About Indian Heritage)

And so the plot thickens.

14 posted on 02/04/2005 5:05:03 PM PST by shezza
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O'Reilly and CNN are on it right now. O'Reilly has two totally misguided (Zombie/Brainwashed?), 'Activist' students of Churchill's on and they really are a disgusting example of what a college Education has become for some in this day and age.
15 posted on 02/04/2005 5:07:59 PM PST by drt1
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What if said professor LIED on his resume to get a job as an "Indian" teaching about Indian and other other ethnic studies? He's a fraud. Surely that should count for something (good thing he's not the Chair of the CU Ethics Studies...but I guess his lies would be defended as First Amendment rights in THAT instance, as well).


16 posted on 02/04/2005 5:08:07 PM PST by shezza
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There were a bunch of stories posted yesterday about that.


17 posted on 02/04/2005 5:08:36 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: shezza

The same thought had occurred to me. Namely, if Churchill put into writing the fraudulent claim that is he part Native American Indian, and used that on his resume to help him get this job, it does seem as if that would be a basis for termination. At least I'm hoping.


18 posted on 02/04/2005 5:12:52 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Indy Pendance
It used to be if you were a Communist you couldn't get a job at any public school.

Now it seems you can't get a job at one of these places unless you are one!

19 posted on 02/04/2005 5:16:47 PM PST by Gritty ("It seems highly improbable that gay hedonism and creeping sharia can co-exist for long-Mark Steyn)
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I think Ward Churchill is a total fraud. He thinks he's immune to criticism. And he's the biggest jerk I've seen in a long time. His arrogance surpasses even Ted Kennedy's, IHO.

The two students on with John Gibson reflect the bogus ideas and arrogance Churchill is spreading among his students. Churchill is a bitter, old hippie, feeding his ego, and filling his purse off the taxpayers of Colorado.

I hope Gov. Owens goes over his background with a fine toothed comb.


20 posted on 02/04/2005 5:31:20 PM PST by auboy
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