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Man Arrested in Threat Against Presbyterian Churches (Arrests follows threats last fall)
Reuters ^ | 4 Feb 2005 | Reuters

Posted on 02/04/2005 10:11:21 AM PST by Cornpone

CHICAGO (Reuters) - A New York man has been arrested for threatening to burn down Presbyterian churches because of policies he believed were anti-Semitic, the church said on Friday. No attacks occurred after the threat was received last November but churches across the country were placed on alert.

Jeffrey Winters, 25, of the New York borough of Queens was arrested and charged with interstate communication of a threat to injure another person, the 2.8 million-member Presbyterian Church USA said from its Kentucky headquarters. It said that the FBI had informed the church of the arrest on Thursday.

Last July the denomination's top legislative body authorized a targeted divestment of church holdings from multinational companies profiting from Israeli-Palestinian violence in the West Bank and elsewhere. The divestment was to begin in 2006 only if public pressure failed.

The move angered elements of the U.S. Jewish community, and the church said it has received several other menacing letters, including one this week.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: christians; churches; crime; jews; pcusa; presbyterians; religion; terror
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1 posted on 02/04/2005 10:11:22 AM PST by Cornpone
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To: Cornpone

All he has to do is wait another few years and the Presbytarian churches will be completely empty.


2 posted on 02/04/2005 10:14:40 AM PST by pissant
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To: Cornpone

Wierd. Thankfully, it appears he's all talk and no action. 25 years old? How much could he even know about the PCUSA? Something here doesn't make sense....


3 posted on 02/04/2005 10:14:50 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Cornpone

The Presbyterians haven't been doing much to win my good graces lately, with the Jew hating and the Post Natal Abortion support, but burning down their churches isn't acceptable recourse.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

4 posted on 02/04/2005 10:18:01 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (Guest Worker Program = Amnesty)
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To: Cornpone

I'm more pro-Israel than most, but of all of the groups doing Israel wrong, why focus on the Presbyterians more than Academia, Europe or Islam? There may be some anti-Christian sentiment involved.


5 posted on 02/04/2005 10:18:37 AM PST by aynrandfreak (If 9/11 didn't change you, you're a bad human being)
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To: Cornpone

"divestment of church holdings from multinational companies profiting from Israeli-Palestinian violence in the West Bank and elsewhere."


Please, again, why is this racist?

Not that I love the PCUSA, but really....


6 posted on 02/04/2005 10:19:09 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: aynrandfreak

The Presbyterians are still Christians?


7 posted on 02/04/2005 10:30:35 AM PST by pissant
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Please, again, why is this racist?

No, I guess it isn't racist. But it is arguably antisemitic by association. And it is exceedingly stupid, and now hypocritical.

Keep in mind that these are the types who climb into their robes each Sunday morning and intone some variation on the theme: "let forgiveness flow down like water," what I suppose you could call Joan Baez theology.

Except, of course, when they're threatened. Then it's "justice" they seek. Where's the forgiveness here? Why aren't they embracing this foe? Why aren't they asking themselves what they might have done to cause this nut-case to make that threat? Where's the empathy, the understanding, etc?

By the way, I belong to this denomination and have protested. I don't intend to leave at this point; if we're to salvage it; we'll have to work from inside. There are people in this denomination who are solid Christians and patriots.

8 posted on 02/04/2005 10:39:59 AM PST by tsomer
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To: tsomer

I still don't understand - if it's anti-Semitic, couldn't is also be "anti-Palestinian"? Doesn't it all even out?

Of course, isn't the PCUSA also having "issues" of accepting homosexuals? As I suppose every wishy-washy Protestant group is. Funny how they could defend homos to the death, but affront Jews?

I'm starting to ramble here...


9 posted on 02/04/2005 11:06:29 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: TonyRo76
As with most big mainstream churches

The Presbyterian church is big, mainstream? Since when? I don't even think they are "Christian". But you are right, it's a backward church as far as it's administrative hierarchy is concerned.

11 posted on 02/04/2005 12:47:02 PM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: Nuzcruizer

***backward church as far as it's administrative hierarchy is concerned***

So Biblical church government is backward?


BTW, there are 9 Presbyterian denominations. Only two are wacked... (Granted one of the two is a big as the other 8 combined)


12 posted on 02/04/2005 12:56:17 PM PST by Gamecock ("Not because we consider ourselves a chosen nation; God moves and chooses as He wills." GWB)
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To: TonyRo76

I believe the Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church can also be called a biblical Presbyterian denomination.

I would question calling the Cumberland Presbyterian Church biblical. The CPC is having a joint General Assembly with the PCUSA in 2006. Holding a joint GA with PCUSA does not pass the smell test that Cumberland is biblical.


15 posted on 02/04/2005 2:11:24 PM PST by Presby Conservative
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To: TonyRo76
Actually, the Christian Reformed Church, Protestant Reformed Church, and Reformed Church in America are not Presbyterian. They are like kissing cousins to the Presbyterians in that we are all Reformed.

Let me see if I can get this right myself:

Presbyterian Church in America (Biblical)
Orthodox Presbyterian Church (Biblical)
Evangelical Presbyterian Church (Biblical)
Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church (Biblical)
Free Presbyterian (Biblical)
Bible Presbyterian Church (Biblical)
Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America (Biblical)
Cumberland Presbyterian Church (actually, they are wacked. Sorry)
Presbyterian Church, USA (Whacked!)

There is another group (which makes 10) called the Cumberland Presbyterian Church in America. It is "an African-American Denomination with 8,049 members, 100 congregations, 16 presbyteries, four synods, 157 ordained ministers, 32 licentiates, and 16 probationers." I can't decide if they are wacked or not. (http://www.cumberland.org/cpca/About%20CPCA.htm)


I just recently became aware of them and your post caused me to do a little Googling to confirm their existence.
16 posted on 02/04/2005 2:28:33 PM PST by Gamecock ("Not because we consider ourselves a chosen nation; God moves and chooses as He wills." GWB)
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To: Presby Conservative

Pinging you to 16.


17 posted on 02/04/2005 2:29:36 PM PST by Gamecock ("Not because we consider ourselves a chosen nation; God moves and chooses as He wills." GWB)
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To: RnMomof7

I'll see your ping and raise you another thread.....


18 posted on 02/04/2005 2:40:13 PM PST by Gamecock ("Not because we consider ourselves a chosen nation; God moves and chooses as He wills." GWB)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Please, again, why is this racist?

It can be considered racist because they are applying a harsher standard to Israel than any other country in the world (including countries with far worse human rights records).

Not that that justifies burning down churches...

19 posted on 02/04/2005 2:44:32 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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