Posted on 02/03/2005 9:54:12 AM PST by EternalVigilance
CONGRESSMAN STEVE KING INTRODUCES RESOLUTION TO ELIMINATE IRS
WASHINGTON - As W-2s arrive in mailboxes this week, U.S. Congressman Steve King has introduced a resolution to repeal the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, which gives Congress the authority to collect income taxes.
H.J. Res. 16 would eliminate the IRS and the means for the government to collect income taxes.
"The IRS is an out-of-date, trillion-dollar-a-year drag on our economy," said King. "Instead of continuing to band-aid our complicated, leaking tax system year after year, we can choose a permanent solution and finally rid Americans of the fat leech they feed their paychecks to."
King has been a long-time supporter of the FairTax, a national sales tax placed on goods and services, which would replace the income tax.
H.J. Res. 16 must be approved by two-thirds of both the House and Senate, and then sent to the states, where three-fourths must ratify the amendment.
For information on the FairTax, visit:
http://www.fairtax.org
U.S. Congressman Steve King
Iowa's Fifth Congressional District
1432 Longworth House Office Building · Washington, DC 20515
http://www.house.gov/steveking/
You are the one whose mantra appears to be "There will always be and IRS" to any statement made that might even so much as REDUCE the IRS in any way, shape, or form. On this very thread, here, and elsewhere... you do nothing but denigrate those who are at least TRYING.
Don't run and hide from your bias. Just be honest about it. You don't think this is worthwhile as you think it can never come to be. Fine. Sit there and STFU. We don't NEED your help and we don't want your negativism.
Repeat as necessary.
The crazies, no. The lunatic fringe Leftists probably do believe they can repeal the Second Amendment. Most Democrats, however, are politically sane enough to realize that the Second Amendment is not going to be repealed -- just as politically sane Republicans realize the Sixteenth Amendment is not going to be repealed.
Personally, I would be better off if the income tax was replaced by a sales tax or VAT. I'd also be better off if I got to keep my FICA taxes and funded my own retirement. Unlike Tattoo, though, I don't live on Fantasy Island.
The government eats money.
We have the money.
Ergo, there will ALWAYS be an IRS to "get" the money from us.
The FairTax eliminates the IRS by putting the collection responsibility back on the states... The government still gets it's money, but because it's not a direct tax on citizens, there is not need for a national collection agency to claim the right to know how much money you make and how you spend it. The Federal would deal with the state. The state would deal with the citizens. In fact, it even includes the following caveat to limit judicial interpretation:
(c) SECONDARY AIDS TO STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION- As a secondary aid in statutory construction, any court, the Secretary, and any sales tax administering authority shall consider--
"(3) construe any ambiguities in this Act in favor of reserving powers to the States respectively, or to the people."
you are now on the pinger ;O)
Oh, yeah? How about linking to "elsewhere."
Don't run and hide from your bias. Just be honest about it
I have been VERY honest about it; I said it wasn't going to happen; do you want a pound of flesh or some blood? What do you want, more than that?
How many ways are there to say "The IRS will never been disbanded?" Anybody who is honest will admit that.
EV and IG - you two know each other?
Taxman - pinging you
BillF - Look what the DC Chapter's Iowa FRiend is up to!
No ma'am. I was trying to correct the misrepresentation you made of my previous post, in a reasonable and respectfull manner, without resorting to disrespectful or insulting language.
Nobody has said that a NRST is an attempt to lower taxes. It has always been proffered as 'revenue neutral'. But if you have ever been audited, or owned a business, you would know first hand how insidious the IRS is. You are 'GUILTY UNTIL YOU PROVE YOUR INNOCENSE'. You do not have the right to not 'testify against yourself'. If you make an innocent error, and it takes the IRS 3 years to find it (it happened to me) you are liable for interest and penalties, even if there was no intent to defraud. I will support almost anything that has as an objective of ridding us of the IRS.
They are very similar, but I believe the distiction is that a VAT is levied at every exchange in the entire production tree, however, a Sales Tax is generally thought of as being levied at the final point of sale. But depending on how they are implemented, they can be almost identical in result.
Ummm. Maybe by definition but not by action. The VAT that has been pushed is very much like the European VAT. Goods are 'taxed' at every step of the process, from raw goods to finished product. Every entity that 'adds value' to the finished product must add a tax to it along the way. And it is more 'hidden' than income tax. At least you know a portion of what you are paying with an income tax (don't get me wrong... i want to abolish the income tax) when you see the list of deductions on your paycheck.
You said the national sales tax is a VAT, which is untrue. Your links all say the VAT is a sales tax, which is entirely different.
Almost all of the fundamental tax reformers oppose the VAT, because it is an insidious form of hidden taxation, and visibility it one of the first requirements of real reform.
Do you support hidden taxation which allows politicians to do their thing out of the sight of the American people?
Why?
From a consumer's point of view, the ONLY difference between a sales tax and a VAT is that the VAT is already included in the price, whereas the sales tax is added to the price.
Example:
VAT: Bottle of Coke costs $1.30
Sales Tax: Bottle of Coke costs $1 plus 23% sales tax (tax inclusive) = bottle of Coke plus tax = $1.30.
The effect of the two on the economy are identical. The sales tax and VAT are known as "equivalent" taxes to economists.
An NRST is the best option. A VAT will tank us. A Flat Income tax would help, but would leave all those other taxes in place and their associated costs.
They thought we'd never put a man on the moon or break the sound barrier either. If you don't want to try, at least don't get in our way.
Yes, I know her. She's an Iowa FReeper who really makes a difference.
In fact, when we put together the support the troops rally on the steps of the Iowa capitol in the run-up to the Iraq campaign, she was one of the key people that made it happen!
There's been some really informative, constructive threads on the FairTax topic recently that mostly lacked the insults and ad hominem attacks, where both sides were engaging each other in dialog rather than insults and attacks. Both sides were conceding points and asking each others assistence in understanding the issues.
It's not always like this.
I distinctly said,
Getting rid of the 16th and putting an NRST in place would reduce the "IRS" to a small staff of accountants in a dim wing of the Department of the Treasury. This is a good thing and a "do-able" goal.
You don't seem to much like that idea and would rather play "Attention Whore" here on this thread by bad mouthing anyone who wants to try and even so much as reign in the IRS.
So what is your deal anyway? You obviously don't want to discuss how this could be made to work. What would you rather talk about, since you can't seem to stay on topic either?
I can't believe you think this will produce lower taxes for most people. It certainly won't for me which is not an argument for or against. Nor would that necessarily mean I would not support it should I conclude it is beneficial to the nation.
I see no way it would not cause a drastic drop in consumption initially though and thereby a deep recession or worse.
With a VAT it costs $1.30
With an NRST, that same bottle costs $.70 to produce and $1 with the NRST added back in.
Get it right...
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