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Immigration Reform - So Few Words, So Much Meaning
My Own Thoughts | 02/02/2005 | doughtyone

Posted on 02/02/2005 11:06:49 PM PST by DoughtyOne

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To: DoughtyOne

Applause!!! Well said. If only the President did get this one issue.(sigh)


61 posted on 02/03/2005 2:48:17 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: DoughtyOne

"It's an interesting dynamic, and a program I wish I could participate in."

Me too, doughty. I can't afford to take the time off, but it's one place I'd like to be. I believe in what they're doing.

The folks at wakeupamericafoundation.com are doing some exciting things. Again, I'm limited because of work and my husbands health or I'd be in there with everything I've got.

But they're planning an Illegal Invasion Summit in Vegas for May, also a March on Washington for later on. All members across the nation will be toting cameras to snap photos of those picking up day laborers and will be exposing them nationally and locally. Plans to turn their licenses and logos into the IRS, etc. We hope to expose them on a local basis as well...pictures of their residences, well out of the problems they impose on the rest of us.

We have to go after the employers or nothing will be done.

Some will be headed to the schools to film the absence of students for Cinco de Mayo Day. If Americans see how many students they're forced to pay for, they'll get an idea how bad the situation really is.


62 posted on 02/03/2005 2:52:18 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (We have the best politicians corporate money can buy)
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To: John Locke; DoughtyOne

In the words of President Bush himself,

"This is not a question of authority.
It is a question of will."


63 posted on 02/03/2005 3:05:27 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Go Howard Go!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Very well said. Thanks for the effort. I hope that "Dubya"'s not going to sell us out south of border but it doesn't look good.


64 posted on 02/03/2005 3:12:25 AM PST by raybbr
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To: DoughtyOne
Thanks for taking the time to pen this. You've framed it very well as a supporter of the President, much like myself.

IMO, the ultimate solution to this whole thing is regime change in Mexico. The ruling class is corrupt and racist, in the sense that the dark-skinned mestizos are the preferred export product.

And in fact, corruption permeates every stratum of Mexican government. If Iraqis can hold free elections in the short span of 2 years, how much easier would it be for Mexicans to establish a free system founded in the fair and equitable rule of law?
65 posted on 02/03/2005 3:13:39 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Go Howard Go!)
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To: investigateworld
Construction and the trades involved in it. Now, you'll probably fire back and talk about all of the immigrants that are in those jobs and how they're driving down the labor rates...fine then, think small, be small. The money is made being by being a general or sub contractor (If I'm not mistaken, many states require a five-year apprenticeship in a trade and then passing the licensing requirements) is very handsome.
66 posted on 02/03/2005 3:25:44 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Many things in moderation, some with conservation, few in immoderation, all because of liberation!)
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To: DoughtyOne

placemark for later reading


67 posted on 02/03/2005 3:26:50 AM PST by Maigrey ("... I will stand in front of the box to put my heart in it." - Mohammed from Iraq the Blog)
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To: Blurblogger
Exporting Capitalism and Freedom south and not just to the Mideast seems like a good idea....

Sounds like a great idea to me but then you get the same (supposedly) Christian crowd (with words and deeds that sound more like a Pharisee) complaining that our jobs are being moved offshore.

68 posted on 02/03/2005 3:32:57 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Many things in moderation, some with conservation, few in immoderation, all because of liberation!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

The sad truth is that while illegal immigrants do use up some of our federal resources, many Americans are much more the drain on these resources and in far greater scope than the illegal immigrant could ever be.


69 posted on 02/03/2005 3:44:49 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Many things in moderation, some with conservation, few in immoderation, all because of liberation!)
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To: bayourod
Take a quick trip to your local veteran's cemetery and look at the names on the headstones and tell them they threatened our sovereignty.

Excellent points, especially this one! And the president want more people like this who identify themselves to our government so that they may become guest workers.

But I guess it's only "love your neighbor" only so long as he has the same pigmented skin as you do and he truly lives next door.

70 posted on 02/03/2005 3:53:57 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Many things in moderation, some with conservation, few in immoderation, all because of liberation!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Anyone notice that the entire Congress, except Tancredo, gave the President a standing ovation on the guest worker program? We are truly headed there.


71 posted on 02/03/2005 3:56:20 AM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: LowCountryJoe; bayourod
But I guess it's only "love your neighbor" only so long as he has the same pigmented skin as you do and he truly lives next door.

Oh good, another race baiter. You and the fraud are going to get along great. Blackbird.

72 posted on 02/03/2005 4:00:17 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: BlackbirdSST
Oh good, another race baiter. You and the fraud are going to get along great.

There's no other way to put it! The president is proposing that we find out who the immigrants are, collect information on them, and then make allow them to become guest workers if they choose...if they choose not to, then presumably we deport them. Many of you FReepers on this very thread complain that immigrants (not just the illegal ones) drive down our wages and take our jobs but then you simultaneously bitch when business OWNERS take their capital and move it into another country, creating jobs there. It appears on the surface that the outcry against this is motivated by selfishness, anger, and a whole lot of xenophobia - none of which are feelings that a Christian in a state of grace should have. Yet, many of you who express these things are the most vocal about your Christianity. My suggestion is that you should pray more for the intangible things such as wisdom and less for the tangible things (emphasis should be placed on giving thanks to Him for what you do have too).

I suppose now that I'll be accused of faith baiting next?!

73 posted on 02/03/2005 4:21:12 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Many things in moderation, some with conservation, few in immoderation, all because of liberation!)
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To: DoughtyOne; bayourod
Like a broken clock, Bayourod is at least right twice a day.

Click here and read Governor Huckelbee's RINO-like comments

I believe that there is plenty of blame to go around though I think President Bush sets the tone on this subject but at least he never said the things that the present Governor of Arkansas said.

If a Zell Miller type of Democrat would run for governor of Arkansas against the Huckelee, I believe he'd win and deservedly so.

BTW, Bayourod. Any input on what Huckleberry said about this bill to cut off state aid to illegals?

74 posted on 02/03/2005 4:38:45 AM PST by Missouri
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To: DoughtyOne

BTTT


75 posted on 02/03/2005 4:39:48 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: DoughtyOne
It is time for an immigration policy that permits temporary guest workers to fill jobs Americans will not take,

I believe it is time that Americans call the President on this despicable slander against the character and integrity of the American people. I am really tired of hearing him accuse us of lacking sufficient integrity and self-respect to work to support ourselves and our families. Why do we allow him to get away with these outrageous statements without paying a political price? If he really feels this way about American citizens then he can't beleive we deserve or are capable of self-government. Perhaps he should go to Mexico and enter politics there since he thinks so highly of the Mexicans' work ethic! With this attitude he really should resign the Presidency and let someone else who really believes in the American people and our project of self-government be our leader in these dangerous times. If I could speak directly to President Bush about his comment and his entire immigration policy this is what I would say.

There you go again. Mr. President, denigrating all the middle and working class citizens of your own country who are unfortunate enough to have to compete with millions of illegal workers that you are enabling to come here against our wishes and in violation of our democratically enacted laws. Exactly which Americans are you referring to as too lazy and too deficient in moral character to take a job to feed their family? Stop hiding behind the broad accusation of jobs "Americans" won't do. Who are these Americans who won't work? These are the same people you are sending to die in Iraq to win "democracy" for Iraquis for heaven's sake. If you feel this way about your own fellow citizens then how in the world do think we are capable of self-government? I guess you don't and that is why you believe you have the right to ignore what the majority of Americans have repeatedly expressed as their demands on this issue for decades -- enforce our immigration laws! If the Iraquis deserve democracy why don't we?

And while we are talking about "jobs American's won't do" how about the job you promised us you would do? How about doing your job of enforcing our immigration laws? By your refusal to obey your oath of office to faithfully execute the laws you are putting this country and every individual citizen at tremendous risk of terrorist attack as well as undercutting the ability of millions of Americans to earn a living and become self-reliant. We have already seen the results. Our prisons are full of illegal immigrants who have victimized American citizens and we are finding it harder and harder to achieve and sustain a middle class lifestyle because of the competition of illegal third world labor.

What do you say, Mr. President, to the families of the people killed by the Washington DC sniper? This man was an illegal immigrant who was caught by federal officials before his killing spree but who was released because of your administration's policy of non-enforcement of our immigration laws. You and your family have secret service protection, payed for by us lazy taxpayers, but the rest of us peasants have to fend for ourselves. The audacity of demanding that we put up with the rising crime rate from illegal immigrants and the risk of terrorism while you and the other political elites surround yourselves with layers of protection at our expese and all the while repeatedly accusing us of being too lazy and deficient in moral character to work is astounding.

76 posted on 02/03/2005 4:43:12 AM PST by politeia
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To: bayourod
We've always had a large immigration population and our sovereignty hasn't been threatened by immigrants. Tsake a quick trip to your local veteran's cemetary and look at the names on the headstones and tell them they threatened our sovereignty. Next your going to say it causes global warming or some such nonsense.

Yes and they all learned English and did not expect companies and schools to teach Spanish to accommodate them the Illegals are not here to become citizens such as those who came before them they come here to get as much as they can to support their families in Mexico.

77 posted on 02/03/2005 5:20:25 AM PST by CONSERVE
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To: bayourod
Do you really believe that Hispanics are criminals?

Do you really believe that someone who breaks are laws to get here is not?

78 posted on 02/03/2005 5:25:20 AM PST by CONSERVE
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To: DoughtyOne
Well stated and thoughtful. Thanks.

it is primarily one nation that is flooding ours with it's citizens

and that nation is wholly owned by a corrupt government. Proud to be a xenophobe and bigot by opposing Mexicorruption's "Mexican diaspora" (nation beyond borders) and their sponge mob.

79 posted on 02/03/2005 5:37:16 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: DoughtyOne; Apple Pan Dowdy
"A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order."

Thanks for your thoughts, Doughty.
I agree with you all the way.

APD, your analysis is the only thing which really makes sense. I can see no other explanation.

80 posted on 02/03/2005 5:44:32 AM PST by TexasCowboy (Ignorance is temporary and correctible; stupidity is voluntary and permanent)
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