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Evolution Litigation
ACLJ ^ | 1 Feb 05 | Jay Sekulow

Posted on 02/02/2005 8:56:16 AM PST by Jay777

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1 posted on 02/02/2005 8:56:16 AM PST by Jay777
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; ApesForEvolution; EdReform; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 02/02/2005 8:57:24 AM PST by Jay777 (Gen. Tommy Franks for President in 08)
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As Lee Strobel notes in his excellent book, The Case for a Creator, increasingly, numbers of scientists are coming to the conclusion that an intelligent creator originated the universe.

I'm reading this book right now. My dad highly suggested it, and I pass that suggestion on to you all.


3 posted on 02/02/2005 8:58:41 AM PST by Jay777 (Gen. Tommy Franks for President in 08)
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How could one not figure out that an intelilgent creator is responsible for all of this? Do people think it just appeared? Apparently they are not Catholic and don't read the Bible!


4 posted on 02/02/2005 9:00:12 AM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
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To: PatrickHenry

ping


5 posted on 02/02/2005 9:01:30 AM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: rockabyebaby
Evolution is following in the footsteps of spontaneous generation a century ago. An absurd theory whose time has past.
6 posted on 02/02/2005 9:03:29 AM PST by Mulch
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To: GreenFreeper

This debate is always so interesting. Personally I think God created us and could have used evolution as the tool to do it at His pace. The soul evolves too. I'll have to check back on my thread here after lunch.


7 posted on 02/02/2005 9:04:15 AM PST by Jay777 (Gen. Tommy Franks for President in 08)
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"As Lee Strobel notes in his excellent book, The Case for a Creator, increasingly, numbers of scientists are coming to the conclusion that an intelligent creator originated the universe."

Who?


8 posted on 02/02/2005 9:04:21 AM PST by atlaw
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To: atlaw

I suggest finding this book. I'm enjoying reading it now.


9 posted on 02/02/2005 9:06:16 AM PST by Jay777 (Gen. Tommy Franks for President in 08)
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Well, if you're reading it right now, surely you can give me some of the names of the "increasing number of scientists who are coming to the conclusion that an intelligent creator originated the universe."


10 posted on 02/02/2005 9:09:04 AM PST by atlaw
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To: Jay777
My brother in law just gave me this book this past weekend. I'll be reading it right after I finish Mona Charen (awesome thus far!!). I am skeptical of it as I found Michael Behe's book Darwins Black Box rather unconvincing and downright erroneous. I am open minded, though, and will see what Strobel has to say.
11 posted on 02/02/2005 9:10:42 AM PST by GreenFreeper
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Who?

Nobody, go back to sleep. All real scientists believe they have mollusks in their family tree somewhere.

12 posted on 02/02/2005 9:11:43 AM PST by Rippin
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Do those scientists also have a theory as to how the intelligent creator came into being?


13 posted on 02/02/2005 9:12:38 AM PST by TXLibertarian
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To: Jay777
Personally I think God created us and could have used evolution as the tool to do it

Agreed. I guess the question is whether anything in natural revelation points in that direction.

14 posted on 02/02/2005 9:13:06 AM PST by Rippin
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I take it you aren't willing to reveal the names of any of these scientists either, eh? It is, for some reason, a very well guarded secret.


15 posted on 02/02/2005 9:17:01 AM PST by atlaw
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To: Jay777

I just wonder if the author here is equating "scientists who are coming to the conclusion that an intelligent designer created the universe" with "scientists who utterly reject evolution." Rejection of evolution is certainly not implied by the belief that an intelligent designer created the universe. The two are logically independent of each other. It would be a typical creationist ploy to go straight from a scientist's statement that he believes in intelligent design of the universe to the assumption that he rejects evolution. I know that there are many scientists who accept that the universe was created by an intelligent designer while simultaneously beliving that the diversity of species arose as a result of the process of evolution. Heck, I am one such scientist myself.


18 posted on 02/02/2005 9:22:10 AM PST by stremba
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Or whether the evidence points in that direction, unless of course you believe that God created all the physical evidence pointing toward evolution in order to deceive us or test our faith.


19 posted on 02/02/2005 9:23:58 AM PST by stremba
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To: Jay777

ID cannot be proven or disproven, you either believe it or you don't. Therefore it is not science, and should not be taught in science classes.


20 posted on 02/02/2005 9:24:02 AM PST by Zeroisanumber
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