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1 posted on 01/31/2005 7:12:16 AM PST by bmweezer
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The NRST is a hell of a lot more fair than the income tax.


2 posted on 01/31/2005 7:14:03 AM PST by RockinRight (Sanford for President in '08!)
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To: ancient_geezer

This guy lost me at the "pony up another 40% or so" line. How someone can be so misinformed about the topic they're writing about and expect to be taken seriously is beyond comprehension.


3 posted on 01/31/2005 7:14:55 AM PST by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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Who's gonna police the collectors to make sure they collect the right taxes from the right goods?

Its called the "Department of Revenue" and they've being doing it for quite some time now.
6 posted on 01/31/2005 7:17:27 AM PST by mike182d
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It is clear from the article that the writer has not read, or at least understood, the Fair Tax Plan.


7 posted on 01/31/2005 7:17:54 AM PST by T.Smith
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Absolutely right.

This would shift the tax burden to those living paycheck to paycheck.


8 posted on 01/31/2005 7:18:06 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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The only problem with the fair tax is that I don't see the federal government seriously considering this option. With federal income tax, the projected income of the federal government is fairly predictable and relatively fixed while an income based upon consumer spending may vary.


9 posted on 01/31/2005 7:19:51 AM PST by mike182d
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Just because I have 500 dollars, doesn't mean that I have 700.

You might if you didn't work for the government until May every year.

Taxing productivity makes no sense to me.

11 posted on 01/31/2005 7:20:06 AM PST by itsamelman (“Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh.” -- Al Swearengen)
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This article is full of more logical fallacies than I care to begin to address, but I will point out the biggest.

The overall theme of this piece is not why the NRST is wrong, but that is has already become law and here are the consequences.

The author needs to go back to English Comp. 101 and start from scratch. The use of rhetorical questions does not mean you have mastered the art of rhetoric.

12 posted on 01/31/2005 7:20:43 AM PST by Military family member (Go Colts!)
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The NRST would be no more voluntary that the current system.

NRST is voluntary in that you can choose not to spend your money and choose to save it instead. The current Income Tax structed not only prevents this, but punishes you for trying to save your money.

By the way, food, clothing and medicine are excluded from the NRST that is being preposed.

14 posted on 01/31/2005 7:21:23 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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I'm cool to the NRST. A flat tax would be much better. Ten or 15 percent across the board and that's that.


18 posted on 01/31/2005 7:22:53 AM PST by rdb3 (The wife asked how I slept last night. I said, "How do I know? I was asleep!")
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bump


19 posted on 01/31/2005 7:23:19 AM PST by jim_g_goldwing (Principled... Always Remain Principled)
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To quote Alexander Hamilton in The Federalist Papers

"The amount to be contributed by each citizen will in a degree be at his own option, and can be regulated by an attention to his resources. The rich may be extravagant, the poor can be frugal; and private oppression may always be avoided by a judicious selection of objects proper for such impositions. If inequalities should arise in some States from duties on particular objects, these will, in all probability, be counterbalanced by proportional inequalities in other States, from the duties on other objects. In the course of time and things, an equilibrium, as far as it is attainable in so complicated a subject, will be established everywhere. Or, if inequalities should still exist, they would neither be so great in their degree, so uniform in their operation, nor so odious in their appearance, as those which would necessarily spring from quotas, upon any scale that can possibly be devised."
23 posted on 01/31/2005 7:25:05 AM PST by mike182d
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What a torturous read.

Who's gonna police the collectors to make sure they collect the right taxes from the right goods?

Who does now?

29 posted on 01/31/2005 7:28:14 AM PST by eyespysomething (I'm speechless here, but don't worry, it won't last long. Ask my husband.)
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I can understand the idea to a degree, but it would kill small businesses like mine to a degree. At least with the figures I have heard being provide to how much the tax would be.


31 posted on 01/31/2005 7:28:21 AM PST by BoBToMatoE
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One thing I like about a sales tax is that it does a better job of taxing the underground economy. Illegals et al still shop in regular stores.


39 posted on 01/31/2005 7:31:34 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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This is perhaps the least informed article on the subject of a NRST that has appeared anywhere, and really isn't worth the time of a response.

Most of the points that he attacks are in fact not part of the Fair Tax proposal. I believe that the author should actually read the proposal before he writes about it.

The most egregious (and there are many to select from) are probably (1) the Fair Tax would not be optional; it would be voluntary only in the sense that can elect to buy or not to buy an item (2) sales taxes are collected in most states, and are far less expensive to collect than our current income tax regime (3) large purchases, including even new homes are not exempt from the Fair Tax (4) the Fair Tax as proposed is uniform, 30% for all purchases of new goods and for all services rendered to consumers.

I think this thread should be pulled. There is not enough correct content in this article to really discuss.

42 posted on 01/31/2005 7:32:09 AM PST by snowsislander
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The premise that spending is a taxable activity is silly on the face of it.

Since almost every state already has a retail sales tax (a fair tax), I suppose almost every state is sully.

52 posted on 01/31/2005 7:38:06 AM PST by JoeGar
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After being (over)taxed on their income over the last 40 years, the Baby Boomers would now be taxed on their savings-financed consumption in retirement. This hardly strikes me as "fair" nor does it seem likely to be enacted. If the AARP can oppose partial privatization of Social Security, which has no impact upon its members, it will certainly rise up against this attempt at double (triple?) taxation.
55 posted on 01/31/2005 7:40:03 AM PST by Scots-Irish
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47% of all households pay no income tax today. What's fair about that? A retail sales tax would make the freeloaders pay something.


56 posted on 01/31/2005 7:40:53 AM PST by JoeGar
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this is only the half of it. When we get a NRST, they'll decide it isn't enough and therefore must keep the income tax in place. Consider: Last session of TX state legislators a law was passed--Fair Tax bill-- that allowed businesses with old equipment and personal property to use federal guidelines for depreciation of equipment for the purpose of reducing a personal property tax bill. We were nevertheless taxed at the old rate--a difference of 4,500 dollars. When we protested, The Tarrant Co Tax Appraisal District told us they couldn't AFFORD to reduce our taxes. "Are you saying you're going to break the law?" We asked. "Yes," was the answer. "If you don't like it you can always sue." Now who will be able to sue over 4,500 dollars? Certainly not thousands of small businesses who already have equiptment that is over thirty years old. Make no mistake, not only is government not your friend, they're (by their own addmission) crooks!


63 posted on 01/31/2005 7:43:13 AM PST by texaslil
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