Posted on 01/27/2005 12:50:27 PM PST by nickcarraway
Chinese President Hu Jintao said recently that China will continue to follow the Marxist-Leninist ideology as interpreted by Mao Zedong and Deng Xiaoping.
"Facts have proven that it is a correct road leading China to prosperity and brings happy lives to the Chinese people," said Hu, general secretary of the Communist Party of China (CPC) Central Committee, at a group study session of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee.
Hu said China needs peace and stability to continue economic and social progress.
"Socialism with Chinese characteristics is the logical and correct choice for China to further realize national rejuvenation, prosperity of the country and happy lives for the people," he said. The Chinese leader also said "socialism is in a constant development process."
"As practices of socialism with Chinese characteristics keeps growing, so will our understanding of the laws of socialist construction," said Hu.
"We should apply these laws creatively to guide the study and solving major problems in China's reform, opening up and modernization, make our thoughts and acts better conform with actual realities, conditions of the state, requirements of the times and the aspirations and interests of the people."
The present Chinese system has little about it that is Communist except the name. And what Communist "content" is left is slipping away daily.
The present setup is more like a continuation of the old pre-Communist authoritarian system, but with far more efficient mandarins.
Hu's got the DNC chairmanship if he wants it.
Why do we continue to subsidize a Communist dictatorship?
Nonsense. The political structure of their state is Leninist.
The philosophical world view is still hardcore Marxist.
Communism is "he lace of dead roads".
China may be Marxist in name, as I said, but it is no longer so in fact. Any nation with thousands of millionaires is no longer Communist in any logical sense of the term.
Communism, in its essence, is anti-capitalism, more than anything else, as the entire longing for true socialism is based on the desire for genuine equality, which capitalism destroys by its very nature.
The Chinese are becoming enthusiastic capitalists, in practice if not yet in name.
What do you consider the hallmarks of a specifically Communist state, as opposed to a more generic authoritarian or totalitarian one? In other words, what makes a state Commie rather than just undemocratic?
Bubububububut ..... say it with me now .... the Red Chinese Communists are becoming little capitalists, the Red Chinese Communists love the USA, and they would never, ever do anything bad to us. /sarcasm
Question for you bud. What was the rate of wealth creation during the NEP in the Soviet Union. Ever hear of it? And furthermore, after that window of "economic freedom" in the Soviet Union, what happened next? Just askin' ...
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"Hu said China needs peace and stability to continue economic and social progress."
Oh, so this is why they threaten war with Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam, the Philippines, Brunei, and even the United States.
So does Communism now join Islam as a Religion of Peace?
HU'S ON FIRST
By James Sherman
(We take you now to the Oval Office.)
George: Condi! Nice to see you. What's happening?
Condi: Sir, I have the report here about the new leader of China.
George: Great. Lay it on me.
Condi: Hu is the new leader of China.
George: That's what I want to know.
Condi: That's what I'm telling you.
George: That's what I'm asking you. Who is the new leader of China?
Condi: Yes.
George: I mean the fellow's name.
Condi: Hu.
George: The guy in China.
Condi: Hu.
George: The new leader of China.
Condi: Hu.
George: The Chinaman!
Condi: Hu is leading China.
George: Now whaddya' asking me for?
Condi: I'm telling you Hu is leading China.
George: Well, I'm asking you. Who is leading China?
Condi: That's the man's name.
George: That's who's name?
Condi: Yes.
George: Will you or will you not tell me the name of the new leader of China?
Condi: Yes, sir.
George: Yassir? Yassir Arafat is in China? I thought he was in the Middle East.
Condi: That's correct.
George: Then who is in China?
Condi: Yes, sir.
George: Yassir is in China?
Condi: No, sir.
George: Then who is?
Condi: Yes, sir.
George: Yassir?
Condi: No, sir.
George: Look, Condi. I need to know the name of the new leader of China..
Get me the Secretary General of the U.N. on the phone.
Condi: Kofi?
George: No, thanks.
Condi: You want Kofi?
George: No.
Condi: You don't want Kofi.
George: No. But now that you mention it, I could use a glass of milk. And then get me the U.N.
Condi: Yes, sir.
George: Not Yassir! The guy at the U.N.
Condi: Kofi?
George: Milk! Will you please make the call?
Condi: And call who?
George: Who is the guy at the U.N?
Condi: Hu is the guy in China.
George: Will you stay out of China?!
Condi: Yes, sir.
George: And stay out of the Middle East! Just get me the guy at the U.N.
Condi: Kofi.
George: All right! With cream and two sugars. Now get on the phone.
(Condi picks up the phone.)
Condi: Rice, here.
George: Rice? Good idea. And a couple of egg rolls, too. Maybe we should send some to the guy in China. And the Middle East. Can you get Chinese food in the Middle East?
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What they've got going on over there is FASCISM. Strip away all the emotional and semantic baggage of the words "fascism" and "fascist", and stick to the original definition, and that's what they have.
Have you ever heard about Lenin's N.E.P. - New Economic Policy?
Multiply it by a thousand, put it on steroids and compare.
There you have it. After decades of trying to bring the Chinese into the Modern world all we've acomplished is arm them and inflame their minds with the thought that thier ideology will prevail.
I'm quite familiar with the NEP.
However, the Commies under Stalin decided, quite accurately in my opinion, that an extended NEP economic policy was not compatible longterm with the survival of communism.
Which seems to be fairly conclusively proved, IMHO, by Gorbachev's failure to control the situation after bringing back what was essentially the NEP.
At some point any attempt to combine Communism with capitalism will hit a brick wall. You either get rid of the Communism in all but name, which is what I believe is in process in China, or you get rid of the capitalism to keep Communism intact.
A free market and Communism are inherently incompatible. They are philosophical and functional opposites. They cannot exist for long simultaneously.
Absolutely. Crony capitalism in an authoritarian state, with strong elements of racial/ethnic pride mixed in.
Sounds very much like fascism to me.
Although it also sounds very much like the Imperial system but with modern economics added.
I do not agree, the situation in China of Deng Tsiao Ping was quite different than in Lenin's/Stalin's Russia for many reasons.
Which seems to be fairly conclusively proved, IMHO, by Gorbachev's failure to control the situation after bringing back what was essentially the NEP.
Not really. What Gorbachev has proven that the uncontrolled POLITICAL liberalisation might lead to the collapse.
Chinese Communists drew the conlusions from both experiments and made the corrections.
I see your points, but consider most of the reality in the leaderships writings and comments. You can see even the highest members of the CCP Politburo twisting and mincing to maintain power and control of the Communist Party.
They still cling to the basic tenants of Mao with economic liberalization of Deng. They make it fairly clear that they are Socialist (read Communist) with Chinese characteristics (which means they will use capitalist means to get to their communist ends).
Also, notice how they use capitalist weaknesses (as they see and perceive them) against their trading partners. They know they can skirt WTO regulations and guidlines...as they very frequently do. They do this because they know the EU led by the French Whores and Germans, and yes the Americans, will allow them some leeway due to wanting access to their markets. They don't see capitalism as the end or even good, they see it as a flawed economic system they will manipulate to achieve their goals. They are doing it extremely well.
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