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Navy photos of Submarine USS San Francisco in Dry Dock (you won't believe the extent of damage!)
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Posted on 01/27/2005 12:42:24 PM PST by Boot Hill

The amount of damage is simply staggering!

That this boat ever made it back to port is a tribute to its designers, builders, and especially to the crew and captain. How does America keep finding men like these?


High resolution version here


High resolution version here


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: grounding; guam; navy; ssn711; submarine; usssanfrancisco
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To: NCC-1701
A couple of questions. 1. Looking at the high res version, there are a lot shuttle-like tiles jarred lose arounf the bow. Are they some sort of sonar-absorbant material?

Can't tell what you're looking at. I understand much of the new sonar systems are ceramic, but I have no idea if they look like what you're seeing.

2. Is the damaged area, is it accessable by the crew under normal conditions?

No. If you look at the visible damage farthest aft, you'll see the two torpedo tube doors. They're just ahead of the farthest forward part of the pressure hull (torpedo room there on the lowest deck... sonar equiptment room a couple above)

Newport News builds some tough boats.

You got that right. And some great guys crew these boats and bring them home. Remember that in time of war they hope to survive rather more "explosive" collisions... yeah, they build 'em tough.

401 posted on 01/27/2005 6:31:03 PM PST by IMRight ("Eye" See BS)
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To: amigatec
What the heck are 'angles and dangles '? I'm an Army guy I know a bit about Tanks but I don't know a thing Subs.

Take a course set up to the design limits of the tank at full speed (turns, hills, etc) and you are required to run it at full speed not being able to view the course layout prior to setting off.

402 posted on 01/27/2005 6:33:44 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
At one point they had me at a meeting with the asst. principal, regional counselor, psychologist, school counselor, social worker all telling me that we needed to take him to counseling.

God for you resisting the counseling. Poor kid was probably bored to tears!! The school never have considered that, I guess.

403 posted on 01/27/2005 6:34:25 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: atomic_dog
Here's real cool pic I found on an official Navy site of a 688 Class Maneuvering room. The only "legal" one I have ever seen.

Can't verify the authenticity of the photo. The RO is covering up the site for the PlayBoy fold-out.

404 posted on 01/27/2005 6:35:05 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Boot Hill

I keep picturing the scene from Galaxy Quest when the grown child star is trying to pilot the starship out of the hangar, an dyou just hear this gosh-awful scraping noise.


405 posted on 01/27/2005 6:37:42 PM PST by dangus
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; RightWhale; atomic_dog

You guys provided some very good expert information on this thread. I enjoyed reading your posts. Thanks!

One look at the damage and I would guess that every weld and structural member could be stressed or tweaked from the impact?

It sure looks like a pile of scrap metal to my untrained eye.


406 posted on 01/27/2005 6:45:31 PM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: atomic_dog
Found this out on the web a while back. This was taken on the John Adams SSBN620. Thresher class boats looked like this too, back aft.
407 posted on 01/27/2005 6:46:23 PM PST by SS Guy
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To: atomic_dog

MSS in Hayes Valley?


408 posted on 01/27/2005 6:46:27 PM PST by Boot Hill (How do you verbalize a noun?)
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To: amigatec
What the heck are 'angles and dangles '? I'm an Army guy I know a bit about Tanks but I don't know a thing Subs.

A heck of a lot more interesting than anything you're going to see in a tank... that's what. :-)


409 posted on 01/27/2005 6:58:03 PM PST by IMRight ("Eye" See BS)
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To: SS Guy

Why are there two steering wheels (Just to get the question answered before somebody seriously asks it)


410 posted on 01/27/2005 6:58:25 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: IMRight; amigatec

Very nice but that is an "Emergency Blow". Usually the area is designated and cleared and a surface vessel monitors (except for that little joyride off the coast of Hawaii recently).

A sub does not surface during angles and dangles.


411 posted on 01/27/2005 7:01:01 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
(except for that little joyride off the coast of Hawaii recently).

The Greenville was in a charted and designated "Submarine Operating Area" The Japanese boat was running the length of this dangerous piece of water. This area is where subs carry out various diving and surfacing operations. I still think Wadle got a raw deal.

SS Guy
412 posted on 01/27/2005 7:05:06 PM PST by SS Guy
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To: Boot Hill

Thank you so much for posting these....We have one expert crew...Lucky there weren't more lives lost.


413 posted on 01/27/2005 7:06:30 PM PST by hoosiermama (There is no justice without freedom, and there can be no human rights without human liberty. GWB)
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To: Boot Hill
Amazing that they were able to save the boat, and that more sailors were not killed.

Prayers for the sailor that was killed.

5.56mm

414 posted on 01/27/2005 7:06:45 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: SS Guy
The Greenville was in a charted and designated "Submarine Operating Area" The Japanese boat was running the length of this dangerous piece of water. This area is where subs carry out various diving and surfacing operations. I still think Wadle got a raw deal.

It doesn't matter. The skipper is supposed to ensure the area is clear. That was why we had surface surveillance, periscope and sonar checks. Now if that fishing boat was propelled by sails and could travel at sixty MPH he might have some defense.

They may not use surface surveillance now but if that is still the mode, he was joy-riding and should be hung. And I mean that literally.

415 posted on 01/27/2005 7:18:49 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

WT, wasn't he showing off for some civilian visitors? That's what I recall, anyway.


416 posted on 01/27/2005 7:20:41 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (Couldn't you have stopped shooting at us and watched your baby grow instead?)
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To: WildTurkey
Very nice but that is an "Emergency Blow". A sub does not surface during angles and dangles.

Awww... I just like the picture. Seriously, I thought the blow ends the A&D on the shakedown cruise?

And what happened off Hawaii?

417 posted on 01/27/2005 7:28:27 PM PST by IMRight ("Eye" See BS)
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To: SlowBoat407
WT, wasn't he showing off for some civilian visitors? That's what I recall, anyway.

Yes. It was probably "suggested" by some higher ups and he got caught between a rock and a hard place. If that is the case, I pity him but if your the captain, you cannot neglect the safety of your ship and the crew. He should have asked for surface surveillance and who knows what was of any periscope and sonar surveillance prior to the event. Bottom line, it looks like he was too caught up in "entertaining". I would doubt that he had the Conn so, we have the CO, the XO, the OOD, the Diving Officer at least dropping the ball, ot sy least unwilling to stand up.

418 posted on 01/27/2005 7:30:07 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Boot Hill

Holey Carp! O_o


419 posted on 01/27/2005 7:32:25 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: IMRight
Awww... I just like the picture. Seriously, I thought the blow ends the A&D on the shakedown cruise?

It can but we frequently rigged for angles and dangles, had our fun, and then returned to our transit or patrol without surfacing. The only times we did emergency blows, that was a specific evolution and not sequentially tied to angles and dangles.

And what happened off Hawaii?

If I had a little more teme I would photoshop a lot of pieces of a Japanese fishing boat and a few floating bodies into your film clip. There is some more background in the posts preceding this.

420 posted on 01/27/2005 7:35:21 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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