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A Sourpuss? Moi? [Peggy Noonan responds to her last column on the inaugural speech]
WSJ - Opinion Journal ^ | 1-26-05 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 01/27/2005 2:08:34 AM PST by bellevuesbest

I have been called old, jaded, a sourpuss. Far worse, I have been called French. A response is in order.

You know the dispute. Last week I slammed the president's inaugural address. I was not alone, but I came down hard, early and in one of the most highly read editorial pages in America. Bill Buckley and David Frum also had critical reactions. Bill Safire on the other hand called it one of the best second inaugurals ever, and commentators from right and left (Bill Kristol, E.J. Dionne) found much to praise and ponder. (To my mind the best response to the inaugural was the grave, passionate essay of Mark Helprin.) So herewith some questions and answers:

A week later, do I stand by my views?

Yes. If I wrote it today I wouldn't be softer, but harder.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: inauguraladdress; noonan; peggydowd; peggynoonan; sourpuss
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To: farmer18th
Noonan prefers "tidy" tyranny.

A foreign policy so 20th Century. She'd rather sweep the dust under rug just to pretend it doesn't even exists. She loves to boast she clings to Reagan's philosophies, but "tidy tyranny" was not one of Ronaldus Maximus' philosophies of dealing with evil.

181 posted on 01/27/2005 5:51:06 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (PEST/Suicide Hotline 1-800-BUSH-WON)
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To: bellevuesbest
What do you think of David Frum's wondering if the fact that the system let this speech through doesn't suggest the system needs work?

I had a similar thought. I wonder if this White House, with its understandable but not always helpful Band of Brothers aspect, isn't different from previous White Houses in this. In other White Houses there were always too many people eager to show their worth by removing the meaning of the speech, or warning the president that such and such shouldn't be said.

I had heard posters remark on Frum criticizing the speech but had not heard or read him myself so did not know he said this. And Noonan agrees?

They are both flat out saying the President is too dumb? It's not as if he read it cold on inauguration day. In fact, I heard some commentary that morning that final touches were being put on it. I assumed (and still do) that that was at President Bush's direction.

I am getting more disgusted as I read this column....back to finish it.

182 posted on 01/27/2005 5:51:20 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: gaijin

She's acting like a liberal. To wit:

She screwed up.

She got taken to the shed for it.

In response, she's digging in her heels and redoubling her efforts. Thus deepening the hole.

Too bad, but not altogether surprising.

Dan


183 posted on 01/27/2005 5:52:56 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

Good question.


184 posted on 01/27/2005 5:53:25 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (PEST/Suicide Hotline 1-800-BUSH-WON)
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To: MEG33

Ah yes. Some poor folk are simply allergic to freedom. I can't believe she said this. Here's her excuse for wanting to keep Hussein in power. Better to rape a thousand Iraqi women and stay up nights worrying when the next attack is going to be, than to deal with it directly as we have.

We've done it her way for almost 100 years. What specifically did it by us? What's her model state in this scenario, Saudi Arabia?


185 posted on 01/27/2005 5:53:32 AM PST by RinaseaofDs (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.)
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To: cyncooper

http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/frum-diary.asp


186 posted on 01/27/2005 5:57:30 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: .cnI redruM
To use the Peggy Noonan analogy, the garbage may be trashing up somebody else's herbaceous borders, but the flies, maggots and insects that feed off it can spread the pathogens to your children as well

Great explanation!!

I don't think Peggy realized how useful her imagery would turn out to be.

It was a starting point in helping us understand what is really going on, in this war on terrorists and those who aid them.

Does Peggy want her son to grow up in a pestilence-ridden world, stepping over and around piles of rotting garbage?

187 posted on 01/27/2005 5:57:50 AM PST by syriacus (The whole World will be watching the Rice SMEARINGS as Condi is blamed for every "error" since 2001)
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To: bellevuesbest
I have now read Peggy thoughtfully and twice on this issue, and I still think she is wrong. The speech Bush gave was magnificent.

The one Peggy would have written for him would not have prompted 5 minutes' discussion. She may like that in certain "contexts", and call it whatever adjective her considerable talents can conjure to defend it; I call it a waste of the country's time.

188 posted on 01/27/2005 5:57:56 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: RinaseaofDs
Some poor folk are simply allergic to freedom..

Actually, in some ways, though, Bush doesn't go far enough. We need to declare Iraq a territory of the United States, send over Christian missionaries, declare a homestead act, and give oil shares to our service men. Benevolent colonization is the best way to handle a savage nation.
189 posted on 01/27/2005 5:58:27 AM PST by farmer18th
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To: bellevuesbest
Dear Peggy,

You were a hero of mine.

You are wrong here and I am embarrassed for you,at the fool you are making out of yourself over it.It is unfortunate that this is how you chose to end your career as a conservative writer. You should have presented your opinion without insulting everyone who saw otherwise.

Peggy-you are not the Queen....and we are not the little people. You are not the only person who gets to use words to emit emotion over a grand concept. Words and flowery sentiments do not belong to you alone.

Answer this question for me: "We will never forget them this morning as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and slipped the surly bonds of earth to touch the face of God."

Did those people really touch the face of God?

You are being a hypocrite.

190 posted on 01/27/2005 5:59:54 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Just say no to the ACLU!)
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To: syriacus
It reminds me of the one smart thing Tupac Shapur ever had to say.

"Some people just don't see the game. It happens all around 'em, and they just don't see the game."

Perhaps some ambitious FR poster can identify the rap for me.
191 posted on 01/27/2005 6:04:22 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Senator Boxer - For whom the bell curve tolls!)
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To: fooman
"But even countries who have in their first 50 years (US, France) can sometimes get it right. And it sure beats nuking Mecca, does it not?"

Prior to a couple of hundred years ago, Democracies were pretty scarce. There were rumblings, and one came forth. In time, there were any number of Democracies, and I can't think of too many of them that came into being without blood being shed. There was no rush though to bring Democracy to the Middle East, because oil contracts could be negotiated with the ruling families, and the world settled into a "status quo" for a time, and those families treated their subjects however benevolently or cruelly as they saw fit. Enter Islamic fascism and suddenly, the free flow of oil, and the threat of unlimited terrorist funding imperils the Democracies of this world. Our choice is clear, and it is can be stated any number of ways. Fight or die, prevail or perish.

192 posted on 01/27/2005 6:05:53 AM PST by Enterprise ("Dance with the Devil by the Pale Moonlight" - Islam compels you!)
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To: MEG33

I didn't read her come back, but if she really said that some people have no capacity for self rule and must be led for authoritarian means, she has exposed her previous criticism as superficial, supercilious and pedantic because that is not what she said in the first piece.

Peggy is anti-war, obviously. But why is this the first that we are hearing this?


193 posted on 01/27/2005 6:06:59 AM PST by Eva
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
"We will never forget them this morning as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and slipped the surly bonds of earth to touch the face of God."

There's a clue, there, to Noonan's theology. Earth is "surly." God is confined to outer space. According to Noonan, God has no place here.
194 posted on 01/27/2005 6:06:59 AM PST by farmer18th
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To: farmer18th
God is confined to outer space.

Perhaps Peggy would be happier in orbit?
195 posted on 01/27/2005 6:08:41 AM PST by farmer18th
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To: MEG33

Thanks!


196 posted on 01/27/2005 6:13:26 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: Diva Betsy Ross; Eva; farmer18th; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1329702/posts
Steyn Break!


197 posted on 01/27/2005 6:14:07 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: MEG33

Sorry! I guess that it was just too early for me to get it.


198 posted on 01/27/2005 6:14:36 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: farmer18th

What happens when Iraq or whatever country has democracy but does not allow for Christian missionaries? Are the people there free? Do we overturn their democracy until it meets our expectations? Or do we let the people of Iraq fight for their God-given freedoms?


199 posted on 01/27/2005 6:18:32 AM PST by petitfour
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To: MEG33

great answer to peggy's quibbles in the Steyn column!


200 posted on 01/27/2005 6:19:21 AM PST by xsmommy
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