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All Day Kindergarten in Arizona
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Posted on 01/26/2005 11:01:37 AM PST by hsmomx3

I just happened to be channel surfing this morning and ran across David Leibowitz on KTAR discussing all day kindergarten.

One caller said that he took his kids out of public schools in order to homeschool them.

The next caller said he has met many homeschooled kids and said that they have more learning disabilities than public schooled kids. He also said that homeschoolers tend to be far behind academically than those in public schools.

The next caller was a public school teacher who teaches all day kindergarten and said that this is the best program for kids.

Again, this just goes to show how dumbed down the general public is on the issues.

Janet Napolitano has many in this state hoodwinked into thinking that all day kindergarten will solve the problems of tomorrow.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: earlychildhood; education; homeschooling; kindergarten; ktar; school
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Leibowitz did not challenge the homeschooling claim that they are behind but did bring up the socialization issue.
1 posted on 01/26/2005 11:01:37 AM PST by hsmomx3
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My daughter went to full day kindergarten.....in private school, of course. It's not a good idea to subject kids to government schools for any amount of time.


2 posted on 01/26/2005 11:03:37 AM PST by anniegetyourgun (CONGRATULATIONS DR. RICE)
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Just gives them a whole day to brainwash them, instead of half a day. California is talking about starting kids in all day school at age FOUR now. Get that brainwashing started even earlier.


3 posted on 01/26/2005 11:04:32 AM PST by EggsAckley
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My kids started school (because they wanted to) at the age of 4 1/2. I homeschooled them (still do) they were reading before the age of five using a phonics approach. There is no way that they could sit through an entire day of schooling at that age.


4 posted on 01/26/2005 11:06:58 AM PST by hsmomx3 (Steelers in '06)
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He also said that homeschoolers tend to be far behind academically than those in public schools.

I'm definitely having a struggle with my homeschooled son. He's testing in all areas between a high-school Junior and a college graduate.

The struggle arises when I try to determine when he's ready for the college atmosphere since he just turned 12!

P.S.: It also goes to show you how wimpy the tests are that are given to older students...
5 posted on 01/26/2005 11:07:47 AM PST by politicket
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Some homeschooling kids do have learning disabilities and are behind. That was why I took mine out. I removed him, taught him myself and worked around his disabilities. A few years later he tested two grades ahead and the public school educators had the nerve to want him back.
6 posted on 01/26/2005 11:07:59 AM PST by CindyDawg
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And then there will be potty traing and bottle weening classes at age one. THEY always know what is best for our kids. NOT!!


7 posted on 01/26/2005 11:08:00 AM PST by hsmomx3 (Steelers in '06)
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Good for you!!!

I am sure you are proud of your child's accomplishments.


8 posted on 01/26/2005 11:08:52 AM PST by hsmomx3 (Steelers in '06)
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oops--potty training.


9 posted on 01/26/2005 11:09:29 AM PST by hsmomx3 (Steelers in '06)
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To: EggsAckley

I hate when single women and feminists always think they know what is right for your kids. Have you seen a pciture of our governor? Look no further than Hillary, Janet Reno, and Donna Shalala. Use your imagination.


10 posted on 01/26/2005 11:11:03 AM PST by hsmomx3 (Steelers in '06)
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The next caller said he has met many homeschooled kids and said that they have more learning disabilities than public schooled kids. He also said that homeschoolers tend to be far behind academically than those in public schools.

Complete lie. We homeschooled all three of our children through high school, and our observations are not simply of them, but of scores of other homeschooled kids as we were involved in local homeschooling organizations. It's well-documented that homeschooled kids perform better in SAT and general knowledge assessments than the average public schooled student.

As to the socialization issue, our kids were involved in play-days and formal field trips with other homeschool kids, played in sports (city-run leagues such as soccer and roller hockey), music programs, and participated in children's community theater. I'd put my kids up against any publicly schooled kid in regard to socialization. What they missed out on in not attending public school was the NEGATIVE socialization that goes on in the public schools. They grew up not being trash-talking, drug-taking, insolent slackers.

11 posted on 01/26/2005 11:13:36 AM PST by My2Cents ("I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News.")
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Janet Napolitano has many in this state hoodwinked into thinking that all day kindergarten will solve the problems of tomorrow.

All-day kindergarten has nothing to do with the welfare of the children. It's a place where parents can dump their kids while they're at work.

12 posted on 01/26/2005 11:17:21 AM PST by My2Cents ("I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News.")
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I understand and respect your decision. Our situation was a daughter reading at 3 1/2 years of age - very gifted, and very capable of staying on task for her age. I was going to enroll her in 1/2 day, but after testing, the school determined she was capable of more. Special and individual attention was given to her in reading and literature during afternoon. And the learning didn't stopped after school. She's just one of those kind of kids.

I mention that not to brag on daughter (though I am a proud mama), but to put the lie to the claims that private schools won't respond to individual needs.

13 posted on 01/26/2005 11:18:35 AM PST by anniegetyourgun (CONGRATULATIONS DR. RICE)
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All-day kindergarten has nothing to do with the welfare of the children. It's a place where parents can dump their kids while they're at work.

Actually, if you go back to the 1860's or so and look at the history of public education as it came to America, you would see that the early organizers wanted to take the children AT BIRTH! People need to get serious about the world-view that their children are learning. Is it coming from the parents, or from the NEA?
14 posted on 01/26/2005 11:21:42 AM PST by politicket
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They will just past out more of those anti-wiggle drugs and the kids sit nicely....like zombies.


15 posted on 01/26/2005 11:24:49 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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I'm sure many of the early organizers of public education in the middle 19th Century were utopian atheists.


16 posted on 01/26/2005 11:25:29 AM PST by My2Cents ("I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News.")
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Leibowitz did not challenge the homeschooling claim that they are behind but did bring up the socialization issue.

There probably are plenty of kids with learning disabilities who are homeschooled. It was not the homeschooling that caused the disability. Their parents probably just got fed up with the school doing anything at all to help their children learn and pulled them out to teach them at home. It's amusing, and disgusting at the same time to hear parents of homeschoolers talk about the trouble they've had getting the school to provide the services required by law. They'll talk about the IEPs devised by the school which say that one on one tutoring is best for the child, then when the parents mention that this is exactly what they'll be getting at home, the school officials get all hot and bothered that the parent isn't a licensed professional. Ridiculous.

As far as the the socialization is concerned, I DO have a problem with homeschooled kids and socialization; there's too dang MUCH of it! It's hard to get their work at home done when they're getting together with kids for game group, or D & D or Field Trips, or Teen nights. It's a real problem. ;o)

17 posted on 01/26/2005 11:28:57 AM PST by SuziQ
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I'm sure many of the early organizers of public education in the middle 19th Century were utopian atheists.

Many of the current organizers are as well. They're leading children against their parents and believe that children should be shaped by society. The Bible has some different instruction on that...
18 posted on 01/26/2005 11:31:37 AM PST by politicket
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My kid went to all day kindergarten with no ill effects. She goes to public school...She has heard some of the fruity ideas put forth in the school and when she comes home we are able to discuss those ideas. She has many questions..(a 7th grader)

My thoughts are this....yes she will hear a lot of crap in school that doesn't line up with what she believes in...but it is important for us to discuss the discrepancies NOW while she is still pliable....rather than hide her away from all of it and have her learn about it after she is out of our home. We have had some great discussions about evolution vs creation...among other controversial subjects...She has even taken what we have taught her about Creation back into her classroom and challenged her teacher to the point that the teacher was left speechless.

All day kindergarten did not harm her in anyway...but it did give her a head start on reading and writing and math. She is very bright and so long as we have an open dialogue on the discrepancies between what is being fed to her and what is the truth...I know we will be okay. In talking with her, I think we help her understand where her friends are coming from. She is able to speak to them about God in a more powerful way.

We have agonized over whether to send her to a Christian school/homeschool and we have opted to keep her in the public system. Christians were never told to hide but to go into the dark places so they can shine their light. Our daughter, and we as parents, are doing just that. Christian parents banded together to get a curriculum ousted out of the school. Some self help drivel called Pumsy....we prevailed in it and got it thrown out...not only out of our school but others in the county.

Many children do not have a solid foundation on which to stand...and without Christian kids among them they stand no chance at all of ever hearing the Gospel.

I have nothing against Christian schools or homeschooling..I think they are great....but not for us. Jesus didn't hide himself from the sinners...but he went out to find them. This is what we want our daughter to do. Is she out there in the pack of wolves?..you betcha...but the Bible tells us to do just that. He sent his disciples out.He did not tell them to stay in the temple or to stay within their own walls...he sent them into the pack of wolves. So long as her foundation is solid..I have no fear about her being "out there". I have no fear of false information...because the Truth is greater than any lies being spewed forth and I have to believe that the Truth will prevail over all darkness...just as the word tells us it will.


19 posted on 01/26/2005 11:36:01 AM PST by leenie312 (1 John:4-6)
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My younger brother went to full day kindergarten and turned out just fine. They changed from half day (which I did) to full day when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade, but parents had the option of half day kindergarten for several more years.

Actually, we both went to public schools from K-12, I went to a state university, and he's serving on active duty in the military. We are both quite conservative, despite the much-maligned "government schools." Both parents had to work to support the family, and we had no money for private schools. Folks who are so anti-public school don't realize that a child's parents and church can have just as much sway over a child as does the public school system.

It was not without its faults, of course, but my parents engaged me regularly in discussions regarding what I was being taught. We talked about how they viewed certain issues and I generally listened to my parents more than my teachers. If a child is parented properly, they will recognize any objectionable material presented in school.


20 posted on 01/26/2005 11:55:06 AM PST by Rubber_Duckie_27
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