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To: spunkets
No it's not, otherwise you could show that it was.

The onus is on those who say it is. I only made that conclusion based on the inability of those who claim morality without God to show why.

You are free to try. The others have all failed.

327 posted on 01/26/2005 12:50:28 PM PST by Protagoras (No one is fit to be a master and no one deserves to be a slave. GWB 1-20-05)
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To: Protagoras
"The onus is on those who say it is."

No! Your libel demands that you answer.

You made that libelous statemnet, because you claim to be the sole posessor of logic, and you wish to denegrate others. TO wit: "For atheists, there is no logical morality. They try to squirm into it to feel better, but it's can't be done. Hence, atheism is bizarre."

Your statement is illogical and that's all your conclusion is based on.

336 posted on 01/26/2005 12:57:42 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Protagoras

Perhaps "claiming morality" is too thin a line to stand on. I aspire to the ideals of honor and integrity, both to my self and others. I make no claim to have either, for those are just words if they cannot be backed by evidence. However, those are the two major ideals in my life, and while I fail at times to adequately exemplify those ideals, there are times when I feel I live up to them. You may ask me to define my perception of honor and integrity, and I'd be hard pressed to do so without writing a small book. But to summarize, I try to treat others as I would like to be treated. The Golden Rule. I don't want people killing or raping me, therefore I don't kill or rape people. It seems like it would not be something I would really appreciate. I like the things that I own, and wouldn't deprive someone else of their belongings, even if for a good purpose. (Like taking church-goers Sunday clothes and giving them to the homeless.) I define "bad" as something I would consider a misfortune if it happened to me, even though like everything else there are exceptions where I could see the "good" in something "bad."

People, it's not rocket science. Atheists may be godless, but we're not hollow shells. I am the product of all that has happened to me, all that I have learned, and that which my parents have taught me.


346 posted on 01/26/2005 1:05:17 PM PST by Renderofveils (8th Engineer Bn, 1 Cav. "Cannibals!")
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