Posted on 01/24/2005 10:05:56 PM PST by velocityguy
By WAYNE PARRY Associated Press Writer January 24, 2005, 4:54 PM EST
NEWARK, N.J. -- Authorities investigating the stabbing deaths of an Egyptian immigrant family said Monday they have not found any evidence so far indicating the four Jersey City residents were slain over a religious dispute. The possibility of a religious grudge, which has strained relations between Muslims and Christians in the area, still is being investigated, said Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio. He added that the brutal slayings do not appear to stem from a simple robbery. "Certainly, based on the viciousness of the attacks, we think there's more than taking the money that was in the apartment," DeFazio said. [snip] The claims led to widespread tension between Christians and Muslims in Jersey City, which led to numerous scuffles at the family's funeral earlier this month. But authorities said nothing so far supports the theory. DeFazio said, "Nothing indicates that was the prime motivation for this. That we can clearly say."
Magdy Mahmoud, president of the Council on American-Islamic Relations' New Jersey chapter, said he was pleased to hear that no evidence of religious bias had been found."We expected this to be the case," Mahmoud said. DeFazio said no motive has been established in the case. In addition to the Internet theory, investigators continue to look at robbery as a possible motive because the home was ransacked and money was taken from the victims. "It could be that it's a vendetta that might go back to the old country," DeFazio said. "We're going to try to look into that." [snip] A computer recovered from the family's house is being examined by forensic investigators who are trying to document its online use, including incoming and outgoing e-mail, and Internet usage, DeFazio said.
(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...
Those MSM's they are a bunch of BS.
Lies! And the local 'rats are now part of it.
Had this been a Muslim instead of Christian family slaughtered the authorities and the MSM would have been falling all over themselves screaming "hate crime"!
Nah no proof, this stuff happens all the time.
Common Sense has left our Left... May God Have Mercy
An AP article out of Newsday. What can we expect but more asskissing of Muslims in general?
Yeah, do nothing and hope it blows over. What're they going to say the next time it happens?
["Is it possible? Yes," DeFazio said. "Do we have anything that gives us reason to believe this is what it was, factually? No. Nothing indicates that was the prime motivation for this. That we can clearly say."]
"prime" motivation?
Holy crap, what a qualified statement. That I can clearly say.
Yep. Sure sounds familiar: "Move Along. Nothing to see here. Have some nice Kool Aid over at the table there..."
At Jihad Watch we have received a large number of inquiries, both sober and frenzied, about the Coptic family found murdered in Jersey City last week.
As is well known, the Copts in Jersey City and elsewhere have many suspicions about this crime. But when they have voiced these suspicions, they have been frequently denounced as “Islamophobes” – an all-purpose term of abuse used to silence criticism of Islam and of Muslims. And Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio is dismissive of the idea that the killings were religiously motivated: “Is it possible? Yes. Do we have anything that gives us reason to believe this is what it was, factually? No. Nothing indicates that was the prime motivation for this. That we can clearly say.”
Nothing? Law enforcement officials have received information from at least one Copt — a close friend of the Armanious family — indicating that the crime was indeed religiously motivated. This family friend has said that an imam in Jersey City declared this Christian family’s blood “halal,” (i.e., licit to shed), because of their proselytizing activities among Muslims. He has named — by name — a suspect in this crime, whose motive was religious and who has fled the country.
Perhaps there is nothing to this. Perhaps the man who has fled is innocent. But even if he is, the Copts have had perfectly cogent reasons for their suspicions. The Armanious family was outspoken in trying to convert Muslims to Christianity. Hossam Armanious vigorously spread his faith at PalTalk, and his 15-year-old daughter Sylvia displayed similar zeal at Dickinson High School. There is credible evidence that for this activity the family received a death threat. In light of all that, it may be that what needs to be justified is the idea that their deaths were in fact unrelated to that proselytizing activity. Islamic law, the Sharia, has traditionally made it a capital offense both for a Muslim to leave Islam, and for a non-Muslim to attempt to convert a Muslim. Many Muslims take such laws very seriously. The Theo van Gogh murder in the Netherlands indicates that at least some will not hesitate to enforce Sharia penalties even in the lands of the infidels.
But if the killer is never caught, which is a distinct possibility since he could be half a world away by now, Muslim spokesmen will attribute the suspicions of the Copts to a “climate of hysteria” against Muslims, and portray themselves — as they do so often — as victims.
Still, a larger question remains. If the Armanious family did in fact receive a death threat related to their proselytizing on Pal Talk, what are the implications for our free society? If the murders were indeed, as many Copts suspect, a warning to them not to proselytize among Muslims, what does that mean for the free exchange of ideas that has always been one of the central values – perhaps the central value – of the American polity?
The mainstream media has done a poor job of covering this case. It has not bothered to explain that the difficulties Copts experience in Egypt are not “old” or even “centuries-old” (as the New York Times put it) — they are as old as when the Muslim invaders first conquered Coptic Christian Egypt. They don’t come from anything Copts have said or done to Muslims, but from the supremacist nature of Islamic beliefs. But in the media in general there has been no understanding of this and no discussion of the Sharia — or of how apostates in Islam are to be treated, or of what punishment is to be meted out to those who dare (as the Armanious family dared) not to act as the despised and cowed minority they were in Egypt, but as free and equal and proud citizens of this country.
No statement has come from the Hudson County Prosecutors Office that shows any sign that that Office has considered these questions, or fully investigated the Copts’ suspicions and allegations. This may not have been a Sharia-inspired killing on American soil, but nothing that has yet come from Edward DeFazio or anyone else seems to deal adequately with the indications that it was. White House Wilsonians seem intent on bringing “democracy” to Iraq, as if that will somehow solve the problem of Islam, and of the jihad that they persist in identifying solely by one of its tools, terrorism. Meanwhile, an unknown number of Muslims in the United States — possibly including the killer of the Armanious family — are working to solve the problems of Islam by laboring, in one way or another, to bring Sharia to this country.
But few are paying attention to that.
I am sorry that this had to happen in New Jersey. If this happened anywhere outside of the Northeast, the muslims that did it would be strung up already. What a load of BS!! It is so sad that this family's murders have to be sacrificed before the PC gods. I am truly sickened.
Authorities arrest 18 in hate case
By: DAVE DOWNEY - Staff Writer
North County News
Friday, January 21, 2005
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/01/22/news/californian/20_43_441_21_05.txt
Sheriff's officials reported Friday that they have broken up a Southwest Riverside County ring that trafficked in racial hatred, arresting 18 members of suspected white supremacy groups and seizing more than 75 firearms, many of them stolen or illegally modified.
Serving search warrants in Winchester, Menifee and Meadowbrook, investigators also seized more than 15,000 rounds of ammunition, several bullet-proof vests and body armor, large quantities of illegal drugs, six stolen vehicles and lots of Nazi and white supremacy propaganda, sheriff's Lt. Scott Madden said in a news release. Some of the weapons were illegal assault rifles, he added. Investigators also searched for parolees in Sun City, Canyon Lake, Quail Valley and parts of San Diego County, Madden said.
Many of the people arrested ---- none of whose identities were released ---- are convicted felons and have a violent history, Madden said. At least one has been indicted on federal charges, he added.
The arrests and seizures culminated a four-month investigation that was conducted by a team of officers from the Riverside County Sheriff's Department and the Riverside field office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The operation targeted suspected members and associates of several white supremacy groups who were believed to be heavily armed.
In the news release, Sheriff Bob Doyle stated investigators are now shifting their focus to putting those arrested behind bars and putting the groups out of commission.
"With hard work and case preparation, we will get convictions on these 18 suspects that will put them out of business," Doyle said.
He also said that preventing racially motivated crime is a top priority for his agency, which patrols the unincorporated areas of Riverside County and 14 cities that contract with the sheriff for police protection.
"We have a zero tolerance policy for hate groups of all types," Doyle stated. "Hate groups such as these endanger the lives of every man, woman and child living in Riverside County."
Those in custody have been arrested on suspicion of illegally possessing body armor, firearms, ammunition, stolen property, methamphetamine, hallucinogenic mushrooms, steroids and marijuana, as well as auto theft and being under the influence of a controlled substance, Madden said.
He said some of the suspects are believed to have stolen and distributed firearms and narcotics, and cultivated marijuana for sale.
On Friday, sheriff's officials refused to release further details about the case. A news conference was scheduled for Tuesday, however.
NOTE: They are suspected of trafficking in "racial hatred"...in other words, WRONG THINKING.
Authorities investigating the stabbing deaths of an Egyptian immigrant family said Monday they have not found any evidence so far indicating the four Jersey City residents were slain over a religious dispute.
In contrast, they haven't found any evidence that it WASN'T over a religious dispute.
>>>>>>Islamic law, the Sharia, has traditionally made it a capital offense both for a Muslim to leave Islam, and for a non-Muslim to attempt to convert a Muslim. Many Muslims take such laws very seriously.<<<<<<
Hello. Why is this cult of death allowed in this Country?
To be killed if you attempt to leave it or be killed if you try to "save" someone from it, doesn't sound much like a "religion" to me!
Prosecutor Edward (Chamberlain) DeFazio is hoping the Muzzies will appreciate his effort to whitewash their evil, and, perhaps, slit HIS throat last.
Goes down about as well as W's Koran lip service this week.
This sort of butt kissing to the Moon Rock Nazis is self destructive.
We have not been hit hard enuff yet to learn what we need to learn to prevail domestically....sadly.
How about "PLAGUE OF THE TWENTYFIRST CENTURY"?
The police are afraid to tell the truth because they fear there will be a backlash. They can say what they want, but that's an Islamic signature!!
Ping
It's called dhimmitude...
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