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Another day, another privacy lost.
1 posted on 01/24/2005 9:20:07 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
If they could do this with dogs couldn't they do this with any remote detection scheme. They could use chemical sniffers, X-ray machines the whole shebang!

The only differences between this and an outright search are arbitrary.

47 posted on 01/24/2005 9:46:12 AM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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Sad, isn't it. Maybe judges should have read the BILL OF RIGHTS berfore making that decision.


74 posted on 01/24/2005 9:57:34 AM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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How is a dog snffing your car a loss of freedom ? This I got to hear .


89 posted on 01/24/2005 10:06:32 AM PST by John Lenin (You have to be a lunatic yourself to appeal to the RAT base)
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I have mixed feelings about this. It seems unfair. But then again, it was a "nervous" Algerian Muslim at the Washington/Canadian border in 1999 which led a heroine border agent to search his trunk and find massive explosives which he was going to use to blow up Los Angeles International Airport. She had no prior suspicions about him.


90 posted on 01/24/2005 10:06:42 AM PST by montag813
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"Although Caballes lawfully produced his driver's license, troopers brought over a drug dog after Caballes seemed nervous."

I would be nervous too -- with 282 pounds of marijuana in he trunk.

"The ACLU submitted a friend-of-the-court brief in the case on behalf of Roy Caballes, a 36-year-old Las Vegas resident who was charged with marijuana trafficking in Illinois in 1999. Caballes, who was en route to Chicago, was pulled over by a state trooper for driving six miles above the speed limit. While the trooper was issuing Caballes a warning ticket, a second trooper, who had not been called, arrived and began walking a canine unit around the car. The dog discovered marijuana in the trunk and Caballes was arrested and later sentenced to 12 years in prison."

96 posted on 01/24/2005 10:09:19 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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Illinois v. Caballes

Court opinion

107 posted on 01/24/2005 10:15:13 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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Another day, another privacy lost.

Yes. The innate right to not having a dog breathe next to your car.

Next is the innate right to not have police look at you.

128 posted on 01/24/2005 10:26:43 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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Was there ever any doubt of the outcome?


140 posted on 01/24/2005 10:32:00 AM PST by Wolfie
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Yep - not a good decision. It's another step in a little direction I like to call conditioning.
143 posted on 01/24/2005 10:33:50 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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What happened to the concept of a "search warrant"? This Supreme Court has been awful on issues of privacy.


147 posted on 01/24/2005 10:34:45 AM PST by The Westerner
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I'd like to say that this is unbelievable and shocking, but, unfortunately, it's pretty much par for the course these days.


153 posted on 01/24/2005 10:37:26 AM PST by small_l_libertarian (Snuggled back down into my cozy duvet of rage...)
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Hey, combine this ruling with this story: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1327287/posts

Maybe on the way home from driving across town from one store to another, after buying the third box of cold medicine my family needs (since you can only buy two boxes at one time now), I will be stopped at a catch-all road block, sniffed and arrested as a suspected meth dealer! After all, those three boxes of cold medicine are now illegal. Then my name will be in the paper for a drug dealing arrest. Minor inconvenience? No.

People need to remember that laws are cumulative, and that's when they start sweeping up innocent citizens and ruining lives.


168 posted on 01/24/2005 10:44:03 AM PST by ellery (Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty. - Ronald Reagan)
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What is going on with the Surpreme Court????? If a guy gets stopped for speeding and "seems nervous", it gives the police a right to call out the dogs to smell search him? Say goodbye to privacy.


178 posted on 01/24/2005 10:46:49 AM PST by PilloryHillary
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Let's change the story; all other facts remain the same except as below:

Dog sniffs car, finds several hundred pounds of explosive in trunk. Suspect Izsheit Midrawrz confesses that he is to be taking this to a suicide bombing of a local school.

Do you now feel any differently? Or should the cops have let him go?

Be careful; constitutional search and seizure law is entirely written based upon the objective observations of the cops at the time of the search. You cannot justify a search based upon its results.

Oh you just had some pot, we'll let you go, but it's OK to pull you out of the car and beat you if we later find some guns or something dangerous. Sorry, I can't justify that legal reasoning.


196 posted on 01/24/2005 10:55:16 AM PST by henkster
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In Blythe, California, a city ordinance declares that a person must own at least two cows before he can wear cowboy boots in public.......


206 posted on 01/24/2005 10:58:54 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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"... Ginsberg ... saying the use of drug dogs will make routine traffic stops more "adversarial" LOL! Can't we all just get along? It's always going to be adversarial when lawbreakers encounter the law. Good ruling.
218 posted on 01/24/2005 11:01:07 AM PST by plain talk
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So Thomas and Scalia voted for this, huh? SIGH.


226 posted on 01/24/2005 11:04:28 AM PST by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has never led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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If you're not stashing the crack, what's the big deal in allowing someone's dog sniff one's pocket?


247 posted on 01/24/2005 11:14:50 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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In a dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg bemoaned what she called the broadening of police search powers, saying the use of drug dogs will make routine traffic stops more "adversarial."

I never thought I would agree with this twit..

275 posted on 01/24/2005 11:25:24 AM PST by cardinal4 (W's 3.5 million pop vote isnt a mandate, but algores .5 million is??)
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"In a dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg bemoaned what she called the broadening of police search powers, saying the use of drug dogs will make routine traffic stops more "adversarial." She was joined in her dissent in part by Justice David H. Souter."

So now we know which SC justices leave a bunch of McDonald's bags along with Wendy's wrappers and Burger King ones on the floor of their back seat. A light sprinkling of pepper around and those dogs will paw all the trash out for the cops to pick up and toss in a plastic bag.

298 posted on 01/24/2005 11:35:50 AM PST by BobS
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