Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

One of them is mentally ill, but it is still an opposite-sex relationship.
1 posted on 01/23/2005 8:52:10 PM PST by Cracker72
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021 next last
To: Cracker72

Just Damn!

BOTH are mentally ill. The gender-confused one AND the woman that married it anyway.

The big shame is that there are CHILDREN involved in this mess - my only real objection to same-sex marriages in the first place.


2 posted on 01/23/2005 8:56:47 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72

not one but both I think


3 posted on 01/23/2005 8:57:43 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (I believe in American Exceptionalism! Do you?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72

They're both mentally ill, but in Concord who would notice?


4 posted on 01/23/2005 8:59:22 PM PST by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72

Technically, one of them is still XX, and one is still XY.

Seems to me Michael doesn't exist anymore, and so Michael's marriage is over. Void. Non-existent.


5 posted on 01/23/2005 8:59:28 PM PST by FoxInSocks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; ...

Modernism at work.


6 posted on 01/23/2005 9:01:30 PM PST by narses (Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family + Vivo Christo Rey!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72

Michael is still a guy, just with his dick cut off. He must have know that he had this "issue" before he got married, so it was a dirty trick to get married.


8 posted on 01/23/2005 9:06:54 PM PST by MRMEAN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72
Judi, left, and Mikayla Howden pose at their home in Concord on Dec. 12. The two married nealry four years ago before Mikayla, then Michael, underwent a sex change which transformed the couple into a legally married same-sex couple, despite a ban on such unions in 40 states, including New Hampshire. Photo by The Associated Press
Judi, left, and Mikayla Howden pose at their home in Concord on Dec. 12. The two married nealry four years ago before Mikayla, then Michael, underwent a sex change which transformed the couple into a legally married same-sex couple, despite a ban on such unions in 40 states, including New Hampshire.

 

Wait... The one on the right used to be the he?

Oy

9 posted on 01/23/2005 9:08:05 PM PST by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72
It's interesting to see this puff piece trying to get the sheeple to look at gay marriage from another perspective, but I think it will backfire. Many straight people know gay people, but I'd venture to say that most are not aware of any transsexuals, and consider them to be something way different from homosexuals.

How little self esteem would you have to have, to stay with a spouse who tries to match your "plumbing"? It seems like the ultimate betrayal of the fundamental rules of the relationship.

10 posted on 01/23/2005 9:09:13 PM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72
Can you imagine the child's chat with another child explaining the "old" family portrait? "This was my dad before he became my second mom." While the other child's eyes become wide with wonder while (hopefully) suppressing a giggle.

Unbelievable!
12 posted on 01/23/2005 9:14:05 PM PST by Chgogal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72

I must pray hard for two who are so lost and ignorant of the damage they do to all the living.


13 posted on 01/23/2005 9:22:03 PM PST by Siobhan (Have mercy on us, O Lord; Have mercy on us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72

The author of the article is lying. The state of florida has decided the issue. In divorce courts, they go by DNA. Born male is male no matter what the mutilation.

There is no controversy or loophole. If the birth certificate is changed then the law is clear. If the birth certificate is not changed then the law is clear. The DL does not change, the passport does not change.

Of course if they try and have it both ways then the law is also clear on perpetratig a fraud. In fact INS is very clear on these types of cases for perpetratig frauds.


14 posted on 01/23/2005 9:29:37 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72

The problem is: How do you define a man and how do you define a woman?

Chromosome counts? Then, what about intersexes?

Women, with androgen insensitivity syndrome, are assigned as girls at birth and grow up believing they are female. At puberty, they are amenstrual and they are discovered to be XY. Are they to be told they are to now be considered men, and can only marry another woman? Or worse, being told they are an 'it'?

What about girls with Turner's syndrome, female but with only one X chromosome, instead of being XX?

What about children with severe genital abnormalities? There are a significant number that were mis-assigned at birth. Some were assigned as females, because it was easier to give them a female genital appearance than male functionality. Likewise, some 'XX' babies with congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH), were so masculinized in their genital structure, that everyone believed they were actually boys.

How do we deal with with these cases?


15 posted on 01/23/2005 9:31:49 PM PST by punster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: mhking

ping


18 posted on 01/23/2005 9:35:56 PM PST by paltz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72

Just damn!! Do these people have larva eating their brains?


27 posted on 01/23/2005 9:56:20 PM PST by MarineBrat ("Religion in a Family is at once its brightest Ornament & its best Security." --Samuel Adams)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72
Transsexuals are not the only people who have sex-change operations. Surgery also is used to treat “intersex” conditions such as improperly formed genitalia.

I told you guys around six months ago that if 'intersex' and 'transgender' issues were not address before you enacted these 'anti-homosexual marriage' state amendments that these issues were going to come back to bite you in the but.

But none of you wanted to listen.

I wonder when the GLBT organization is going to use AIS (Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) intersex people, in federal court, as a basis to throw 'anti-homosexual marriage' state amendments.

32 posted on 01/23/2005 10:13:01 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: All
People wanting to "change" their gender (except in cases of obvious genetic disorders which are a whole other topic) definitely have some mental issues. Now I've only known one transsexual and you could tell that "she" was a person struggling with a lot of issues. (Please no one lecture me on the he/she/him/her/it terminology. I'm simply saying "she/her" to avoid confusing myself as I type.)

Now how I actually know her is kind of am interesting story. One wouldn't think church would be a place a transsexual would turn up but that is where I met her. She had gone through the process, including surgery, of become "female" (note the "") before finding Jesus. She was attending Texas A&M and started attending the same church as I and in the same church college class. Now we already knew before she started attending because the pastor for the college group had explained to us. We all agreed that she should not be treated like a freak or outcast. After all, Jesus forgives all (but one) sin and if he was here today, he would not mistreat anyone regardless if of their past mistakes.

Now I'm as straight as can be and consider a transsexual to still be their original gender but the first time she came into our Sunday school class, I myself and just about every other male was stunned that she was drop dead gorgeous. Until the pastor introduced her, we all assumed she was a "real girl". It was impossible to tell either by looking at her or listening to her speak.

Now to make a long story short, she stayed with our church until she finished college and moved. During that time our group enjoyed a lot of fun times together and most of us were proud to call her our friend. One couldn't have met a kinder person and good Christian. However, I always felt sorry for her because she felt it would be wrong to get married, for the obvious reason. (She was talking about the moral and religious concerns, not legal ones.) As far as I know, she never dated once during her time at our church.

As I do for most of the people I've called my friends over the years, I still say a prayer for her and hope God will bring her peace and happiness she never seemed to really have.

Now I'm sure I'm going to get flamed. Some "holier than thou Christian" (I'm not referring to all Christians as I am obviously one but to those who actually seem to hate people that they consider to be "inferior Christians") will say we should have told her to buzz off and that she'll burn in hell no matter what. I guess I worship a different God than those kind of Christians. I believe what Jesus said to the Pharisees while having dinner with "tax collectors and sinner" at Matthew's house, the "Parable of Pharisee and the Tax Collector" and which one was more righteous, and when he said "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

45 posted on 01/23/2005 11:13:04 PM PST by COEXERJ145
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72
Sex change thrust couple into same-sex marriage debate

There is no "debate" in this story. They are not the same sex. Only if you accept that having an operation to change your physical appearance is their a debate.

Gee, no bias here is there. We are supposed to accept the premise. I don't think so.

51 posted on 01/23/2005 11:23:42 PM PST by BJungNan (Cut government spending 3 percent, get the same job done.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72

Can someone please tell me why they insist on referring to this man as "she"?

And why on EARTH are they praying?? What on EARTH do they hope to accomplish by that? Is that supposed to convince me that they love God or something?


53 posted on 01/23/2005 11:32:03 PM PST by melbell (There are 10 types of people in the world...those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72

These two critters are blowing smoke. They're just trying to get some publicity.

The "It" portion of the duo was a MAN when they were married. The inevitable phalanx of lawyers will argue that under contract law, that makes the contract binding. A ruling that the contract still stands, even though the former "Man" is now an "It", would set *no* legal precedent w/r/t two people who were both male or both female BEFORE a marriage,


56 posted on 01/23/2005 11:52:12 PM PST by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Cracker72

That's all fine and dandy until in three years thet both want to become men...L.O.L....Hetro to lesbo to homo...makin the round trip I guess...Life is just to short......


57 posted on 01/24/2005 12:29:19 AM PST by Route101
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021 next last

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson