Posted on 01/23/2005 1:11:01 AM PST by rdb3
I consider the general a friendly opponent. And as I said, I am from Missouri, show me. The 14 month period of advantage(although the way I read the graph it carries on into about 24 months) for the HbAS carrier is to be compared to the disadvantages of the trait carried to around 10 years or 120 months. That period is much longer before reproductive capability.
Andrew, the graph indicates mortality rate. If they die at an increased percentage the alleles they carry die with them. Thus you have allele frequency change in the population.
In this case the Hybrids are preserved over the AA dominant type and the S allele increases. Whereas, in a non-malarial area, the A allele increases in frequency. In both cases evolution occurs and the populations in non-malarial areas diverge from the malarial areas.
"All that would do is confuse the student, because the word "theory" here is misused"
These "christians" do not have a problem with lying or deceiving. The ends justifies the means. Is that the 11th commandment?
Your tag line says there is no knowledge that is not power.
My 9th grade science teacher posted this in my class many times. many years later, older, harassed looking, he confided in me that he was beginning to hate being a high school teacher. "The kids cuss at me now, and one even threatened to beat me up. The administration is no longer protecting us from undisciplined kids".
It was an eye opening conversation. Alacarte, I will offer that historically, certain religious institutions have been quite guilty of persecuting those who seek knowledge. But to elevate secularism only makes sense under one circumstance: overall, people are happier.
Aderol, Paxil, Zoloft, Prozac, Concerta, etc, etd,...
lots of brain drugs out there doing .... what? Making secular scientists who work at secular drug companies pretty wealthy. Maybe they are the ones who are happier. maybe they have also been incented to deny alternate pathways to happiness have been available for investigation for a long time.
Wisdom is real. Do you agree?
I don't know. Have those statistics been kept? Infant mortality in those areas are probably very high for all populations.(due to starvation, disease, etc.)
You are very welcome.
#621 is along the lines I had in mind, but it came after my post.
There are three things that are guaranteed to come from the Evolutionist/Materialist: Lies, Hypocrisy and Insults. That is their stock in trade
There are four things people try to point out about JudyWillow's beliefs in these discussions:
1. It's junk science.
1. It's junk religion.
It is junk science because it is based primarily on presumptions that can't be proved. The materialists have faith that abiogenesis happened. They have faith that radioisotope measurements are based on predictable decay over eons of time. They have faith that order comes from chaos. They have faith that material appeared ex nihilo. These same scientists that swear that their ancestors are worms and apes are the same ones who are absolutely certain about global warming. What is ironic is that these materialist scientists claim all kinds of global catastrophe over a 1 centigrade rise in temperature, while they will at the same time call you an idiot for mentioning a global catastrophe a little over four thousand years ago.
OTOH, The retort that you have a "junk religion" generally is cause for hitting the abuse button. Their hate speech towards Christians is no different than racists calling blacks with offensive slang. Expect it. When called on point #2, you are dead on point. They are Christophobes who are in mortal fear of those who don't subscribe to their death cult.
2. As junk science goes, it's dangerous junk science. Nazism and communism were based on it.
2. As junk religion goes, it's dangerous junk religion. Hatred of scientists, atheists, and gays, are based on it. Left unchecked it will ultimately destroy all the freedoms that America has stood for.
Junk science is the precursor to Nazism and Marxism. Nazism borrowed heavily from the Evolutionist's Dream of eugenics. The US was experimenting in neutering of "genetically inferior" stock of people, and Hitler's boy picked up quick on that trend and declared by fiat all Jews as being members of an inferior genetic stock. Marxism requires evolution because, as the US founding fathers observed, Man has inalienable Rights which come from his Creator. Eliminate the Creator, and now the State is the sole repository of privileges. Materialists want God gone so that they can pursue the immoral lifestyle. Remove God, then remove any responsibility to Him. The State fills the vacuum.
"Hatred of scientists" is the typical crap that Materialists pull. It is in their best interests to create this highly insulting and bigoted image that only knuckle dragger luddites would believe in a Creator. If materialists acknowledged the great number of "scientists" who are Creationists, or at least consider Evolution vain speculation, then they would lose their most useful tool - pandering, insults and demands to "shut up because we know better than you.". Evolutionists can't debate without resorting to fallacies, lies and fraud, so they try to convince everyone that their opponents aren't worth believing - borrowing another fallacy, the False Dilemma
3. It's totally incompatible with Christianity or any other believable religion.
3. It is totally incompatible with reason.
Once again, they must make it personal. The Christophobes want you to believe that Occam's Razor is unreasonable. It is much better to believe in Big Bang, not because of any evidence, but because if fits their philosophy. You must believe in the Oort cloud. Not because there is any evidence of it, not that it can be sighted or measured, but because their absolute faith in Billions Of Years is incompatible with the existence of short term comets. Materialists call it "reasonable" to make up all kinds of wild ideas, and call this speculation "fact" or at least "theory". Evolutionists also call it "reasonable" to base their evidence on outright fraud. Ernst Haeckel and his "gill slits" human embryos? Or the fraud of Archaeopteryx - sure, there's scientific evidence for you - just brush on some cement and press a feather in it and declare it a "transitional fossil". The sychophants of Evolution will latch on to that and won't let go even decades after the fraud is made well known. According to them, believing a proven lie is "reasonable".
4. It's part and parcel of certain kinds of agendas, which have nothing to do with conservatism. Granted not all gay people are agenda freaks, but the ones who are love evolutionism.
4. It's part and parcel of certain kinds of hatefulness, which have nothing to do with conservatism. Granted not all who share JudyWillow's beliefs are hate freaks, but the ones who are hate almost everyone who doesn't share their bigotted worldview.
You can't be an evolutionist until you engage in insults, lies and most important of all - hypocrisy. Evolutionists hate Christians, that is why they drag Christians to court. That is why they demonstrate their hate by those insulting legs added to the Christian ixthus. They do it because they are the bigots, the haters, and the oppressors. All Christians want is for their children not to be propagandized by atheistic evolution. So I fully expect them to project their own sociopathic failings on Christians. Why not? It works wonderfully for the Left. They are using tried and true Hard Left tactics to attack their philosophical foes.
The relative risk of ERD explained by preexisting disease (largely silent heart disease) was 2.3 for Hb AS , but this was not statistically significant. The relative risk of ERD unexplained by preexisting disease was 28 for Hb AS. This was highly significant with p less than one per thousand. The relative risk ratio has since been corrected to 30 (3). If one eliminates restrictions by race and cause of ERD, the risk of exercise-related death for sickle cell trait was 28-fold. The excess ERDs with sickle cell trait seemed to result from the immediate stress of exercise. About 50% of cases resulted from exertional heat illness and the remaining cases were idiopathic sudden deaths (ISD). Clinical features and distribution of cases between EHI and ISD did not differ by the presence or absence of hemoglobin S, except that rhabdomyolysis was the predominant form of EHI among cases with sickle cell trait (3).
We examined the effect of age on risk of ERD unexplained by preexisting disease. There was an eight-fold increase in mortality going from age 17-18 to age 28-29 among recruits with Hb AS but no such trend for recruits without sickle cell trait (3, 9). This difference in effect of age suggests that there may be a difference in pathogenesis of death depending on the presence or absence of hemoglobin S. This effect might be due to renal papillary necrosis from Hb AS, a lesion increasing linearly in severity with age and present in at least 80% of recruits (figure 1 in 3, 6). The resulting deficit in renal concentrating ability might predispose that person toward more severe EHI since obligatory loss of free water might increase the hyperosmolar state important in the pathogenesis of EHI.
We were surprised by the high excess mortality associated with sickle cell trait. It is often said that the absolute risk of mortality with sickle cell trait we reported was low (12, 13). This excess mortality was one per three thousand recruits with sickle cell trait or one death per 60 to 90,000 person-hours of exercise equivalent to middle distance running. This mortality rate for 18 year old recruits is about 4 to 7 times higher than the mortality observed from artherosclerosis among middle aged runners: one death per 400,000 hours of running (14). Other population surveys of sickle cell trait have shown only mild effects of trait on hospitalization rates and none on mortality rates (3). Whereas our survey observed 5,000 person-years of exposure (38,600 people with Hb AS for a median of 8 weeks exposure) (9), other surveys of young adults with sickle cell trait examined exposures two to four logs smaller.
To most people the first meaning for "theory" has a ring of uncertainty about it. Not everyone is aware that scientists use the word to denote a construct based upon reasonable observations. Where the Theory of Evolution is concerned it does not rest on facts but on reasonable constructs of history based upon a-priori assumptions, thus it is a theory sorely lacking in facts. It does not deserve the attribution of "Theory," but "Philosophy," the Philosophy of Evolution is not germane to basic science.
My feelings as a Christian point me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter... How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.
If you don't think that's favorable, you're delusional.
Too old. Excessive mortality at 28 gives you 16 good breeding years to begin with, and considering that life expectancy in stone age societies is/was around 30-35, you're not even losing that much in the end anyway. By contrast, the majority of malaria deaths (70-80%) occur in children under 5, accounting for as much as 30% of childhood mortality before age 5 in endemic malarial zones.
It's all about getting you to breeding age - anything after that is purely a bonus as far as natural selection is concerned.
1. It is really valuable. 2. Most 'worldly' folks consider it utter foolishness 3. It is supernaturally gifted to one who seeks it in a repentant manner.
The stuff he said would only be 'favorable' if he were pointing out what Christ actually said and did. Christ did not die 'fighting' to destroy the 'jews'. It's simply not true.
What I was after from you was ANY quote from Hitler where he reflected on what any of the 4 gospels actually have within them, and report favorably about Jesus. To say Hitler was a Christian implies he was advocating what Christ said. That is not true.
He just can't seem to give up his life as a performing clown:
Then why is the Hybrid frequency only 15-25% in a malarial area?
THE GEOGRAPHY OF SICKLE CELL DISEASE:
West Africa
The sickle trait frequency varies from 15% to 25% and the HbC trait frequency from 3% to 4% in Nigeria to 15% to 20% in parts of Ghana and Burkina Faso, so the predominant genotypes of sickle cell disease are SS and SC disease, the latter being proportionately more frequent in Ghana. Data on Sb+ thalassemia and Sbo thalassemia are insufficient to predict their relative prevalences. Alpha+ thalassemia is common. Malaria is common and general public health measures poor outside major cities. High socioeconomic status improves survival,55 ensuring easier access to medical care, better public health measures, better immunization and nutrition, and better malarial prophylaxis. Few figures are available but mortality is high and survival to adult life uncommon. Most mortality is attributable to malaria or other infections. Leg ulceration and other end organ damage such as renal failure are uncommon, presumably because patients do not survive long enough to develop these complications. Pregnancy is also infrequent and pregnancy related pathology consequently rare in SS disease although more common in SC disease.
Evolution is a fact and the Theory of Evolution explains that fact.
Philosophy does not trump mountains of scientific evidence supporting the fact of evolution.
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