The Crafty Attacks on Evolution

The New York Slimes ^ | 23 January 2005 | EDITORIAL

[WildTurkey]

The age of science began when the Church started accepting that the earth was not the center of the universe ...

That's one way of looking at it. Myopic, to be sure, but a story you can tell for ages to come. Make the best of it. The age of science was confirmed when the Church accepted evolution.

[LiteKeeper]

what part of it is "superstitious nonsense?" And which part of forbidding the questioning of evolution is critical thinking a part of?

[shubi]

"Matter has never been observed apart from both intelligence and design."

This is very cryptic. Do you mean that it takes intelligence to observe a rock? Again, we are getting into the if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it make a sound type of philosophical sophistry.

[shubi]

Creation science/ID is superstitious nonsense in its entirety.

[AndrewC]

So let me get this straight, you don't think genetics are true? What exactly IS the point you are trying to make

You are wandering deeper into the forest. My exact point has been stated numerous times. I believe "Find a human skeleton in the same strata as dino bones and you would falsify evolution." is a false statement. I used genetics to assist my argument, therefore it is highly unlikely that I "don't think genetics are true".

[rdb3]

No, the courts are protecting our children from being indoctrinated with superstitious nonsense passed off as Christian doctrine.

And there it is. The admission.

[WildTurkey]

But evolution is the only system that is protected from criticism by the courts...in fact, it is a crime to question evolution in the classroom. Name another discipline with the same kind of protection by the courts.

Please cite even ONE example where a student has been disciplined by the courts for criticizing evolution ...

[shubi]

"You are wandering deeper into the forest. My exact point has been stated numerous times. I believe "Find a human skeleton in the same strata as dino bones and you would falsify evolution." is a false statement. I used genetics to assist my argument, therefore it is highly unlikely that I "don't think genetics are true"."

How does misunderstanding of an experiment removing some neutral mouse DNA have anything to do with finding a human fossil in the same strata as a dinosaur?

[WildTurkey]

The categorical position of evolutionists is that the evidence of evolution is too overwhelming to be questioned.

And thus you show your total ignorance of the scientific community.

[Alacarte]

How familiar are you with world history during that time?

Major technological advancements are pretty easy to see. After the greeks and the romans, advancement almost stopped for 1500 years, until we adopted naturalism.

There seems to have been a certain "lack of advancement" since Darwin appeared on the scene, too.

On the contrary, technology for the past 400 years has advanced exponentially, even with your evil darwinism. Since Darwin we've had germ theory, space travel, antibiotics, computing, nuclear energy, mass information mediums... Biology makes no sense outside of evolution. So everything the life sciences gives us, is in part due to evolution. Not that science 'owes' us anything.

But please advise as to how conjectural recapitulations of history serve the interest of science in the present moment, let alone qualify as science.

I was just responding to you saying the church didn't hurt science, I didn't start the discussion, sorry.

Does Einstein stand on the shoulders of Darwin?

Einstein was a physicist... Darwin was a biologist... I'm not sure I see your point.

[AndrewC]

This shows a complete misunderstanding of the concept of inheritance. Neutral sequences would be preserved, since they are not selected positively or negatively.

Are negative sequences preserved?

[WildTurkey]

what part of it is "superstitious nonsense?" And which part of forbidding the questioning of evolution is critical thinking a part of?

When one cites the false propaganda of the creationists' web-sites, that is NOT called critical thinking.

[shubi]

Yep, creation science/ID is an attempt to corrupt our children and destroy science education. We can't let AIG or DI put there cons in the classroom. It is fraud.

Now, I don't think that the establishment clause should have been used. I think the people that put the sticker on the text should be arrested for conspiracy to commit fraud.

[AndrewC]

How does misunderstanding of an experiment removing some neutral mouse DNA have anything to do with finding a human fossil in the same strata as a dinosaur?

You can best answer that. You've misunderstood just about everything.

[LiteKeeper]

Teachers are forbidden by law from questioning evolution. [Sorry, I don't have the citations.] It is not the children that are disciplined, it is the teachers that are forbidden for raising any criticism.

Check out LeVake v. Independent School District No. 656

[Alacarte]

You are wandering deeper into the forest. My exact point has been stated numerous times. I believe "Find a human skeleton in the same strata as dino bones and you would falsify evolution." is a false statement.

There is no comparison between the two! I don't think you understand what 'predictions' are. Seriously, one too many philosophy classes...

[shubi]

Sequences that give even a small percent disadvantage in survival eventually get eliminated. But if the environment changes, they might become positive and reverse the process.

This is what we observe with sickle cell anemia in malarial areas.

[Fester Chugabrew]

This is very cryptic. Do you mean that it takes intelligence to observe a rock?

There's nothing cryptic about it. Yes, it takes intelligence to observe a rock. It also takes design. How else is any information going to be conveyed so that the observer knows he is looking at a rock as opposed to a Freudian slip? Both intelligence and design are needed before science can even get a start. Understand?

[judywillow]

And tens of thousands of scientists are merely co-conspirators to present this bogus science for some illicit agenda....

I say again, the agenda isn't that difficult to discern.

[Fester Chugabrew]

Einstein was a physicist... Darwin was a biologist... I'm not sure I see your point.

My point is that science can do very well without the Philosophy of Evolution.