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Bumper crop for cops: Can secretly attach GPS - judge
New York Daily News ^ | January 20, 2005 | DEREK ROSE

Posted on 01/21/2005 11:01:49 AM PST by CrawDaddyCA

Cops without a warrant can secretly attach Global Positioning System devices to a suspect's vehicle, according to a federal judge - who said using the gadgets is virtually the same thing as following a car along a road.

The decision handed down by U.S. Judge David Hurd in upstate Utica last week could give law enforcement officials another high-tech weapon to catch criminals, but is troubling to privacy advocates.

Hurd ruled that Robert (Bugsy) Moran, a Hells Angel member and defense attorney accused of conspiring to distribute methamphetamine, had "no expectation of privacy in the whereabouts of his vehicle on a public roadway."

"Law enforcement personnel could have conducted a visual surveillance of the vehicle as it traveled on the public highways," Hurd wrote.

Assistant U.S. Attorney David Grable, who is prosecuting Moran, strongly backed the ruling.

"Your movements on a highway aren't private," he said. "You don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy, which is a Fourth Amendment test."

But civil liberties advocates said the decision opens the door to increased government surveillance.

Miniature GPS receivers are now available for about $1,000 and can be affixed to the undercarriage of vehicles in minutes.

Hurd's ruling is only binding in his upstate courtroom, said law Prof. Barry Kamins, but other judges will likely consult it.

"It's kinda scary," said Christopher Dunn, associate legal director of the New York City Liberties Union. "If this ruling applied to New York City, the NYPD would be free to go out and attach these devices to cars and track people without any showing of wrongdoing."

In the Laci Peterson murder case, California detectives got court permission to hide the devices on three of Scott Peterson's vehicles. They showed Peterson visited a marina they had searched several times.

Not all judges agree with the most recent federal ruling.

Last year, Nassau County Court Judge Joseph Calabrese said attaching a GPS device to a car amounted to a search and seizure. "At this time, more than ever, individuals must be given the constitutional protections necessary to their continued unfettered freedom from a 'big brother' society," he wrote.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; bigbrother; gps; leo; privacy
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Huge potential for abuse. Scary.
1 posted on 01/21/2005 11:01:50 AM PST by CrawDaddyCA
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To: CrawDaddyCA
Miniature GPS receivers are now available for about $1,000 and can be affixed to the undercarriage of vehicles in minutes.

They can also be found and removed in seconds. Know your vehicle.

2 posted on 01/21/2005 11:04:39 AM PST by The_Victor (Calvin: "Do tigers wear pajamas?", Hobbes: "Truth is we never take them off.")
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To: CrawDaddyCA
"Your movements on a highway aren't private," he said. "You don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy, which is a Fourth Amendment test."

But that doesn't include just highway movement, does it? It tracks what private establishments one goes to... Heck, you could drive around for 3 days in a parking lot, never entering onto the public roads, and it would record that too.

3 posted on 01/21/2005 11:04:54 AM PST by mwyounce
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To: CrawDaddyCA

That, and a huge potential for GPS detectors.


4 posted on 01/21/2005 11:07:18 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.)
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To: mwyounce

"Your movements on a highway aren't private"

So the only place you have an expectation of privacy is inside your own home apparently. Exactly how much better of are we than people under the old soviet system?. Oh I guess we still have our houses, thats right.

This is not the type of country in which I want to live!


5 posted on 01/21/2005 11:08:28 AM PST by oldcomputerguy
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To: CrawDaddyCA

Most intersections in my area have video cameras. Simply add license plate reading software, and they will know where most people are most of the time.


6 posted on 01/21/2005 11:08:52 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: mwyounce

My thoughts exactly...Anyone with a GPS attached vehicle may drive that vehicle to where they should have a reasonable expectation of privacy...


7 posted on 01/21/2005 11:09:01 AM PST by Joe 6-pack
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Until they make one that is really hard to find, or doesn't look like one.
8 posted on 01/21/2005 11:09:07 AM PST by WritableSpace
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To: CrawDaddyCA

Drive down to the truck stop remove device and attach it to a long haul truck heading out of town.


9 posted on 01/21/2005 11:09:08 AM PST by Mike Darancette (MESOCONS FOR RICE '08)
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To: CrawDaddyCA

Yeah, no expectation of privacy, but he did expect the government not to tamper with his property.


10 posted on 01/21/2005 11:09:11 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: CrawDaddyCA

Anyone carrying a cell phone can be tracked..


11 posted on 01/21/2005 11:09:20 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: CrawDaddyCA

Look out for the "if you have nothing to hide" crowd. Those people will sell any freedom away.


12 posted on 01/21/2005 11:09:38 AM PST by mysterio
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To: CrawDaddyCA

Placing a device on a private vehicle without the owner's permission is not a violation of privacy? How about recording everything the driver says as he drives down the road. This judge is a very dangerous idiot.


13 posted on 01/21/2005 11:10:07 AM PST by microgood (Washington State: Ukraine without the poison)
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To: CrawDaddyCA

"who said using the gadgets is virtually the same thing as following a car along a road."

The only difference being that if they actually want to follow a car on the road they have to use a vehicle and manpower to do it.

Now instead they can have someone attach a device that costs $60 to as many cars as they want and sit someone down at a pc to watch them.

This is very, very bad.


14 posted on 01/21/2005 11:10:25 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: sheik yerbouty

"Anyone carrying a cell phone can be tracked..

"

Not if it's powered off. I never turn mine on unless I'm making a call.


15 posted on 01/21/2005 11:12:19 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: mwyounce
"Your movements on a highway aren't private," he said. "You don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy, which is a Fourth Amendment test."

In this day and age, you also don't (or shouldn't) expect that you'd have an expectation of privacy on the phone or the internet, because in reality, you don't. Very slippery slope.

16 posted on 01/21/2005 11:12:20 AM PST by umgud
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To: Bikers4Bush
>sarcasm<

If you haven't done anything wrong, you don't have anything to fear

>/sarcasm

17 posted on 01/21/2005 11:17:01 AM PST by yatros from flatwater
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To: CrawDaddyCA
A quick technological note here. The GPS devices you buy in your store do not transmit. They only receive. So they cannot be used to track your vehicle from afar.

The devices that these cops are using must include some sort of transmitter. This is more like Lojack, or the combined GPS/cell-phone services provided by OnStar.

So I don't want stories like this to scare people away from heading to the store and picking up a standalone GPS navigation system, or ordering one (without OnStar) in their car. They're pretty cool and useful devices.

(As for cell phones with GPS built in---well, I don't know enough about them to know for sure how much of a privacy scare they are. But there is definitely potential for scariness there.)

18 posted on 01/21/2005 11:18:07 AM PST by mcg1969
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To: oldcomputerguy
So the only place you have an expectation of privacy is inside your own home apparently.

Not if your windows are open. Police may also trespass on your property and conduct surveillance without a warrant.

Exactly how much better of are we than people under the old soviet system?.

The USSR Bill of Rights serves the same purpose as our Bill of Rights, to convince people they are free despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary.

Article 54. Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No one may be arrested except by a court decision or on the warrant of a procurator.

Article 55. Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed inviolability of the home. No one may, without lawful grounds, enter a home against the will of those residing in it.

Article 56. The privacy of citizens, and of their correspondence, telephone conversations, and telegraphic communications is protected by law.

19 posted on 01/21/2005 11:25:10 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: mcg1969

I don't know about suspect's cars, but I am getting one for my car when my daughter starts driving.


20 posted on 01/21/2005 11:25:24 AM PST by mel
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