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Arvonne Fraser: Social Security cuts would hurt families, women (blah,blah,barf,blah)
The Star & Sickle ^ | 1-20-05 | Arvonne Fraser

Posted on 01/20/2005 6:26:14 PM PST by Rakkasan1

Whatever happened to family values? President Bush's proposal to privatize Social Security and promote an ownership society contradicts his campaign rhetoric. He is deliberately concealing the fact that today 4 million children are Social Security beneficiaries and that only 63 percent of all beneficiaries are retired workers. Of the $40 million in Social Security checks sent out in September -- the last month for which statistics are available -- only some $27 million went to retirees.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barf; cuts; security; social; socialsecurity; sosh; supplemental
family values should include aborting your yet to be born family members or "assisting" in their ceasing to live.

..."in an ownership society everybody is on their own."

God forbid that!

1 posted on 01/20/2005 6:26:18 PM PST by Rakkasan1
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To: Rakkasan1
If I'm not mistaken, Arvonne is the widow of Don Fraser, former liberal US Congressman and liberal Minneapolis Mayor. She is also a liberal "fellow emeritus" of The Humphrey Institute which, I also believe, makes the Brookings Institute appear quite conservative in comparison.

The quality of any idea is directly proportional to the hysteria it engenders among liberals.

3 posted on 01/20/2005 6:52:53 PM PST by stevem
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To: Rakkasan1

Yikes! Arrvone resurfaces!?! What brought her away from her caldron? I thought when Mayor Don headed into the sunset that would be the last we'd hear of that inbred clan of proto-commie RATs (brass knuckled woman, weak man and gay son). When I was a wee lad that woman used to send chills right through me. Forty years hasn't improved things.


4 posted on 01/20/2005 6:56:37 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Let's arm all the "patriotic" Democrats and field a penal battalion...)
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To: stevem

You are correct - in all respects. Her son commited suicide, if I recall rightly, and Don probably chose death as an alternative to the lovely and talented Arvonne as well.


5 posted on 01/20/2005 6:59:15 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Let's arm all the "patriotic" Democrats and field a penal battalion...)
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To: Rakkasan1
Whatever happened to family values?

How about whatever happened to personal accountability? Take care of your own retirement. I don't want you or the government involved in mine.

6 posted on 01/20/2005 7:01:07 PM PST by ShadowDancer (Vivere est cogitare)
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To: stevem

Here's the vision of lovliness herself: http://www.womenspress.com/newspaper/2004/2001fras.jpg

What's truly scary is that she looked darn near this old back in the '60s and '70s.


7 posted on 01/20/2005 7:02:56 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Let's arm all the "patriotic" Democrats and field a penal battalion...)
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What's truly scary is that she looked darn near this old back in the '60s and '70s.

Yikes! Now I will have nightmares the rest of the night!

8 posted on 01/20/2005 7:08:50 PM PST by stevem
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To: Rakkasan1

Is this the Star & Sickle Frazer speaks of? Communism at its finest. Ownership society? I think not.

9 posted on 01/20/2005 7:10:35 PM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: ShadowDancer

The only objection I have to your statement is the 1000s of dollars I've already paid in to Social Security - 25 plus years worth, to be precise. Seems the only thing I can count on is that someone will take my money.

Where is the justice in that?


10 posted on 01/20/2005 7:11:41 PM PST by Middle-O-Road (In favor of blowing all terrorists to China, via other hotter places where they'll linger a while.)
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To: Rakkasan1

I personally don't care if Social Security is reformed or not. It's outside of my frame of reference.


11 posted on 01/20/2005 7:14:15 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: Middle-O-Road

If it stops, it should be that what you already have vested is still yours. What you do with your portion and that amount afterward should be your call.


12 posted on 01/20/2005 7:14:21 PM PST by ShadowDancer (Vivere est cogitare)
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To: ShadowDancer

My contributions as well as my employer's - plus interest. That might be fair. Otherwise ....


13 posted on 01/20/2005 7:19:14 PM PST by Middle-O-Road (In favor of blowing all terrorists to China, via other hotter places where they'll linger a while.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
What's truly scary is that she looked darn near this old back in the '60s and '70s.

...if I recall rightly, and Don probably chose death as an alternative to the lovely and talented Arvonne as well.

Not to compare her to Arvonne, but there is an Irish ballad that has a part hat goes like this:

Chris O'Foss,he stole a hoss...and err the strung 'im up the boss said...if any girl will marry him the man goes free...

Up stepped Widow Twanky...She was lean and she was lanky...And she said kind Sir I'll thankee...hand 'im down to me...

That's why we're burying him...That's why the poor man's dead...That's why we're carrying him...off to his last long bed...

He took one glance...at his last chance...Then string me up he said...That's why we're burying him...That's why the poor man's dead...

14 posted on 01/20/2005 7:19:52 PM PST by stevem
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To: stevem

I always felt kind of sorry for old Don. Even if he was a commie, I still pitied him for being married to that harridan.


15 posted on 01/20/2005 7:32:36 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Let's arm all the "patriotic" Democrats and field a penal battalion...)
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To: Rakkasan1

"For women the danger of privatization is even greater. Though marriage was extolled in the recent campaign, in an ownership society everybody is on their own. On what most women earn today there is no hope of saving enough for the 20 years of retirement they can expect if they retire at 65 or 67."

What garbage. Substitute any person for "women" here and it is still garbage. Anyone, no matter what they make can save enough for retirement if they create a plan and stick to it. Yeah, some folks won't be able to buy the fancy toys that others could or live as well materially at first, but they need to get over that envy because there is no excuse for not ensuring your own future financial stability. Folks like the writer of this article just want a free ride off of the labor of others. I know damn well that I could take the money I pay into social security and get a much better return on investment than the measly monthly check Uncle Sam will dole out. By letting me keep that money that I pay out my checks, I can also put it to work smarter and sooner to take advantage of time.

Start as soon as you start earning a paycheck and:
Pay yourself first out of every check - Regular savings and compound interest can work wonders for anyone.
Construct a budget
Eliminate impulse buying
Other than a mortgage, don't buy on credit
As you accumulate wealth, diversify into structured investments.

One of the most shameful truths of American public education is that they do not teach students about money and how to manage it. No one should graduate high school without knowing the steps on how to accumulate wealth.


16 posted on 01/20/2005 8:49:23 PM PST by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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"Of the $40 million in Social Security checks sent out in September -- the last month for which statistics are available -- only some $27 million went to retirees."

$40 million? This is nuts. Social security probably spends $40 million on stamps every month.

17 posted on 01/20/2005 10:03:15 PM PST by Neanderthal (QN)
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To: stevem

"The quality of any idea is directly proportional to the hysteria it engenders among liberals."

good point. it's also proportional to how much freedom the idea or proposal leaves in the hands of individuals.
The more freedom it promotes, the more dims are opposed.


18 posted on 01/21/2005 11:21:50 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: There is no justice, there's 'just us'.)
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