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Michael Savage is going to talk about why Bush mentioned the "Koran"!!!

Posted on 01/20/2005 3:22:49 PM PST by fishtank

Let's go!

This needs to be on the table.

Would at least one Christian minister who has the President's ear ---- give him an earful????


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To: hardworking
No, Bush has a more profound interest in religion, and it carries more psychological punch with him, than any president I can remember in my life time, maybe of any president ever, althought I read somewhere that Hayes was profoundly religious.
281 posted on 01/20/2005 10:12:53 PM PST by Torie
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To: Chemist_Geek
9 January 2005, presumably.

And what Jewish or Christian terrorist attack against America happened that day?

283 posted on 01/21/2005 3:44:26 AM PST by M 91 u2 K
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To: Chemist_Geek
OK Geekie, you wrote:

By the way when was the last time you had a Christian or Jewish terrorist attack against the US?

9 January 2005, presumably.

I can't wait to see how you explain this one!

That is if you have the guts to answer (Personally, I don't think you do.)

284 posted on 01/21/2005 4:06:17 AM PST by Former Dodger (I thought ABORTION was murder and FUR was a Woman's right to choose.)
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To: Former Dodger; M 91 u2 K; broadsword; Gondring; RS
9 January 2005 is when that abortion clinic in Oregon was burnt...

"I don't think you (have the guts to answer)" my wide white butt.

I guess this makes Former Dodger a

Proven Liar

to appropriate a phrase...
285 posted on 01/21/2005 6:11:36 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: hardworking
it is fundamentally OK in the Koran to kill.

Try working hard on reading this:

"Whosoever killed a person - unless it be for killing a person or for creating disorder in the land - it shall be as if he killed all mankind; and whoso saved a life, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind." (5:32)

Now, where does it say there that it's "fundamentally" OK to kill? Indeed, that verse states that it's fundamentally heinous to kill except as capital punishment.

286 posted on 01/21/2005 6:14:12 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Kornev
You realize those pro-peace passages are inclusive to mooselimbs only.

You realze that there's nothing whatsoever except your fevered paranoid imagination to support that?

Now, read this:

"Whosoever killed a person - unless it be for killing a person or for creating disorder in the land - it shall be as if he killed all mankind; and whoso saved a life, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind." (5:32)

"Person." It's all over in there. You allege that person doesn't mean person.

Now read this:

"That depends on what the meaning of the word is, is."

Infidels like most of FR are subject to dhimmitude and death.

And, you would have us do the exact same thing - oppression and death - to Muslims "preemptively". Riiiight.

287 posted on 01/21/2005 6:24:22 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Tfran

Will Farrell (sp?) coined it on SNL.


288 posted on 01/21/2005 6:58:21 AM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: hardworking
That may be, but I don't know enough about Islam to say whether you are right or wrong about that. All I know is-based on the verses I've seen quoted here on FR, you can find similar passages in the Bible stating who is ok to kill as well.

I'm sorry, but I don't think religion, in and of itself, is an evil thing if it's not Christianity. You are free to believe that, but I don't agree. I think the problem lies with people, not their religion.
289 posted on 01/21/2005 7:45:20 AM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: Chemist_Geek
You simply don't understand what we're dealing with, or you're complicit with them. 1 of the 2.
290 posted on 01/21/2005 8:23:43 AM PST by Kornev
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To: Boot Hill
Michael Savage exists for the same reason that carnival freak shows exist:

So do ABCCBSNBCCNNBBCMSNBCFOXRUSHHANNITY, etc.

What's your point?

291 posted on 01/21/2005 8:25:12 AM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: savagesusie
Bush should NEVER give any respect to such a hateful and pedophilic religion.

Absolutely correct. Besides, even if we said that it was wonderful religion (which it is not), they still think us infidels who are not worth living. They have been using the "infidel" excuse to plunder, pillage, and murder their neighbors for centuries.

Better not to have made any reference to them at all.

292 posted on 01/21/2005 8:30:40 AM PST by Tfran
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To: Paloma_55

I know it's "strategery", and it STINKS. It's strategery only because the Republican Party sees its fulfillment and "interests" for the future as involving this kind of obligatory political correctness: its also the self-serving
tactic behind the stubborn open borders policy, so as not
to offend Hispanics, who the Republicans see as somehow an ESSENTIAL constituency who will put them "over the top" and solidify their perennial majority party status. The rest of us just aren't consulted.


293 posted on 01/21/2005 8:38:36 AM PST by willyboyishere
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To: hardworking
It hasn't been mentioned in the previous 42 inaugerations so why mention it now? PC gone too far.

Excellent point!

294 posted on 01/21/2005 8:40:53 AM PST by Tfran
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To: fishtank

"No, I will not face it."

Will you at least think about it? How are we going to work with moderate Muslims if we do not show respect for their beliefs?


295 posted on 01/21/2005 8:44:46 AM PST by rwa265
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To: exnavychick
All I know is-based on the verses I've seen quoted here on FR, you can find similar passages in the Bible stating who is ok to kill as well.

He that striketh his bondman, or bondwoman, with a rod, and they die under his hands, shall be guilty of the crime.

But if the party remain alive a day or two, he shall not be subject to the punishment, because it is his money.

Exodus 21:20-21

There's fun stuff like the death penalty for rape victims:

If a man have espoused a damsel that is a virgin, and some one find her in the city, and lie with her,

Thou shalt bring them both out to the gate of that city, and they shall be stoned: the damsel, because she cried not out, being in the city: the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife. And thou shalt take away the evil from the midst of thee.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24

And enforced marriage between rapist and victim:

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, who is not espoused, and taking her, lie with her, and the matter come to judgment:

He that lay with her shall give to the father of the maid fifty sicles of silver, and shall have her to wife, because he hath humbled her: he may not put her away all the days of his life.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

Religious tolerance is apparently not part of the Jewish or Christian faith. Indeed, other religions are to be terrorized:

Thou shalt not adore their gods, nor serve them. Thou shalt not do their works, but shalt destroy them, and break their statues.

And you shall serve the Lord your God, that I may bless your bread and your waters, and may take away sickness from the midst of thee.

There shall not be one fruitless nor barren in thy land: I will fill the number of thy days.

I will send my fear before thee, and will destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come: and will turn the backs of all thy enemies before thee:

Exodus 23:24-27

Whether a religion is True or not has no relevance to whether a government may suppress or interfere with it. IMHO, government is totally incapable of saying anything about faith.

Whether Muslims are going to Hell or not is not the issue - the issue is whether they have the right to their faith. And, sadly, many posters do not believe in religious freedom for anyone other than their faith. "Oh, it's so evil, you can feel the evil rising from the pages of their book, we must destroy it." Well, heck, the same sort of passages are found in the Bible.

296 posted on 01/21/2005 9:12:45 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Kornev

Do your masters approve of the job you're doing, fanning the flames of religious war?


297 posted on 01/21/2005 9:14:16 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek
Whether Muslims are going to Hell or not is not the issue - the issue is whether they have the right to their faith. And, sadly, many posters do not believe in religious freedom for anyone other than their faith. "Oh, it's so evil, you can feel the evil rising from the pages of their book, we must destroy it." Well, heck, the same sort of passages are found in the Bible.

My point, exactly. I think a great many people are confusing Wahabbi (I hope I spelled that right) Islam with other versions of it. It's like saying that devout Catholics worship God the same way as a devout Baptist, for example. The different denominations worship in different ways (often accusing each other of being less than moral, as well)...what says that Islam isn't the same? Everything I know about it says that it IS pretty much the same thing.

In fact, since Bush went so far as to mention his faith, it's only right that he would at least give some acknowledgment of the faiths of a great many other Americans. Otherwise, it would have been better to say nothing about religion at all. I can't see that happening, since he is a devout Christian, so I think he handled it quite well.

The Constitution says freedom of religion, and that the government may not establish a state religion. I think a great many folks want to do just that, in the name of keeping out peoples of another faith they think is evil. Well, they can certainly think that it is, but that doesn't mean everyone else thinks so, or even that they are right in their beliefs. Frankly, persecuting folks for their religion is just wrong, wrong, wrong! You punish the individuals responsible for what they have PERSONALLY done (ie the suicide bombers of 9-11, and the Taliban that helped OBL and his followers, ect.) not for being a member of the same faith as these turds.

298 posted on 01/21/2005 10:00:02 AM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: exnavychick
Frankly, persecuting folks for their religion is just wrong, wrong, wrong! You punish the individuals responsible for what they have PERSONALLY done (ie the suicide bombers of 9-11, and the Taliban that helped OBL and his followers, ect.) not for being a member of the same faith as these turds.

Hear, hear! Why is that so difficult for so many people to understand?

299 posted on 01/21/2005 10:15:10 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek

It's hard because they are afraid, imo. They don't want to understand. Fear breeds bigotry, and when someone is bigoted, they are also irrational. How can they understand, when they don't really want to? It's like they'll only feel safe if every last Muslim was killed, and probably not a moment sooner.

I have as big a problem with the "Nuke Mecca, Islam is eeevilll!" crowd as I do with Islamofacist nutjobs.

Now donning asbestos suit, as I'm sure to get flamed.


300 posted on 01/21/2005 10:30:46 AM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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