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Don't believe the doubters: America's decline and fall is a long way off yet
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 01/21/05 | Gerard Baker

Posted on 01/20/2005 2:41:47 PM PST by Pokey78

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1 posted on 01/20/2005 2:41:48 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78

What a load of steaming dung.


2 posted on 01/20/2005 2:48:27 PM PST by DCBurgess58 (We have a French knife in our back)
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To: Pokey78

America alive and well. Watch the election, inauguration and free enterprise system work day in and day out. For the whole world to see. If they don't like it, don't watch.


3 posted on 01/20/2005 2:49:26 PM PST by handy old one (It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims. Aristotle)
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To: DCBurgess58

Oh, I don't know.

This last paragraph is fairly revealing!

"The rise of rival economic power centres does not necessarily spell America’s end. The resilience of the US economy through the past four turbulent years — in contrast to Europe and Japan — is a monument to its capacity to recreate itself. But more important even than America’s dynamism and economic resilience is the durability of its central ethos: the power of freedom. The genius of the founding fathers, which was celebrated again yesterday, has created the world ’s most stable, successful, and, for all the current phobias, still the most appealing model of society for humankind. The world may grow and change around it, but I would not bet on America’s eclipse just yet."

No matter how hard socialists try, they just can't deny America's greatness!


4 posted on 01/20/2005 2:50:25 PM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: DCBurgess58

Did you read the same article that I did? I liked it.


6 posted on 01/20/2005 2:55:53 PM PST by Mears
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To: John_Wheatley

Yes! In an 'offhanded way'.

Until the last paragraph that is!


7 posted on 01/20/2005 2:56:26 PM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: John_Wheatley
Did you read it? He is actually praising America.

There's a pretty large segment of people that basically can't understand an article that isn't some simplistic Coulter or WingNutDaily rant, or they stop reading an article when they come to the first sentence they have the slightest disagreement with.

8 posted on 01/20/2005 3:03:19 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: DCBurgess58

Did we read the same article? It said that unlike Europe, America will be able to maintain its competetive edge while China and India become more industrialized and powerful. And if you don't believe that China is going to continue to gain strength, then you're simply in a dream world. 1.3 BILLION people, an abundance of resources, and continued liberalization of the economy means its only a matter of time before it catches up with us.


9 posted on 01/20/2005 3:04:40 PM PST by jamesissmall218
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To: DCBurgess58

"The genius of the founding fathers, which was celebrated again yesterday, has created the world ’s most stable, successful, and, for all the current phobias, still the most appealing model of society for humankind."

What is dung about this?

The strength and weakness of the US is the same, our ability to doubt ourselves.


10 posted on 01/20/2005 3:04:48 PM PST by Purple GOPer
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To: jamesissmall218

"An abundance of resources"? You mean people, right?


12 posted on 01/20/2005 3:17:27 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: Pokey78
..plus the modern successors to the citizen-militia, an independent press,...

I don't think that I am ready to to allow the repeal of the 2nd Amendment on the basis that Dan Rather will be a bastion of effective resistance to governmental tyranny.

13 posted on 01/20/2005 3:29:05 PM PST by elbucko (Feral Republican)
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To: monkeywrench

Absolutely. Its not oil or ore but rather the free mind that creates wealth. I LOVE the USA!


14 posted on 01/20/2005 3:29:38 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: wildcatf4f3

You're right, of course, but they don't have an abundance of those in china. Hopefully they'll stand up for freedom.


15 posted on 01/20/2005 3:32:01 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: just too late
Get someone to read it to you, you half wit!

Half Wit?

You can go to hell, I'm sick and tired of seeing things like:

A presidential inauguration is a chance for America to remind the world who is boss

A presidential inauguration is a ceremomy for the swearing in of our president. Is is for American public consumption, not some stage managed theater to impress the world.

The war in Iraq has sapped the brimming self-confidence with which America greeted the new century

Excuse me? And the evidence for saying this is?

polls suggest that Americans remain uncharacteristically gloomy about the future. A solid majority believes, just as it did on election day, that the US is on the wrong track

Once again, excuse me? What polls show a majority of Americans believe we're on the wrong track.

I will amend my first post just for you... What a load of smelly steaming dung. I don't give Damn if there is a backhanded compliment in the last paragraph. Perhaps you could just STFU about what other people post.

16 posted on 01/20/2005 3:34:59 PM PST by DCBurgess58 (We have a French knife in our back)
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To: Pokey78
Never underestimate the creativity and adaptability of free men and women.

Command economies and fascism can only take you so far, and tend towards inflexibility and stagnation.

17 posted on 01/20/2005 3:42:13 PM PST by FierceDraka (The Democratic Party - Aiding and Abetting The Enemies of America Since 1968)
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To: Pokey78
It is too early yet to declare Iraq a failure.

Considerably too early. But then, declaring it a success is impossible if you have no stated criteria for success, and that seems to me to be a singular shortcoming of media, planners, and yes, the Bush administration itself.

The lack of it is what is behind the hostile media's ability to constantly raise the bar, so don't expect a lot of action there. It is also responsible for the admininstration's freedom of action on the topic, so there's a good deal of motivation to keep that nebulous on their side as well. But it does affect morale, as the article implies, and I think it's time to address the topic publicly.

Yes, this will tie the administration's hands a bit and allow its many enemies to twist it into something not intended. That is what enemies do. I do not think anything so concrete as a timetable is required here; a timetable will be a comfort to our enemies and thoroughly exploitable. But a clearer statement of specific objectives is, I submit, overdue.

18 posted on 01/20/2005 3:50:53 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: DCBurgess58
What a load of steaming dung.

Huh? What page are you on? It's a good article.

They are actually saying something good about America.....or is THAT your problem with it?

19 posted on 01/20/2005 4:10:31 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: DCBurgess58
I went back and it read again. There were some things that popped out at me that I didn't see with the first reading.

I apologize for my smarmy tone.

20 posted on 01/20/2005 4:17:04 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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