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Navy Reassigns Commander of Submarine That Ran Aground in Pacific
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Posted on 01/20/2005 9:22:10 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Navy Reassigns Commander of Submarine That Ran Aground in Pacific The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Navy has reassigned the commander of an attack submarine that ran aground Jan. 8 in the western Pacific Ocean, officials said Thursday.

Cmdr. Kevin Mooney, who commanded the USS San Francisco, was reassigned to a unit in Guam pending the completion of the investigation into the crash, a statement from the U.S. 7th Fleet said. Vice Adm. Jonathan W. Greenert, the fleet's commander, ordered Mooney's removal from command.

The nuclear-powered San Francisco was on its way to Australia when it struck an undersea mass of rock that was not on the ship's charts. Machinist Mate 2nd Class Joseph Allen Ashley, 24, of Akron, Ohio, died of injuries suffered during the crash, and 23 other members of the crew were injured. The submarine was conducting underwater operations about 350 miles south of Guam.

The submarine has a crew of 137. The vessel sustained severe damage, but the vessel's nuclear reactor was unaffected.

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To: Zavien Doombringer

He's been reassigned while the situation is being investigated. I suspect they have good reason for doing so, but it doesn't mean he won't be cleared by the investigation.


21 posted on 01/20/2005 9:56:36 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Zavien Doombringer
You obviously have no concept at geology...

I have the concept that the earthquake in Sumatra did not cause a mountain to magically appear near Guam. If you have real evidence to the contrary, present it.

Sea mounts can and do appear out of nowhere.

Sea mounts that are there, but never noticed do SEEM to appear out of nowhere. But sea mounts don't just "appear" out of nowhere.

The sub wasn't in the area during the earthquake, but a result from that earthquake could be a new seamount that wouldn't have been on the charts.

No, it couldn't. A huge mountain being jammed up out of the sea floor near Guam as a result of this earthquake would....cough....have been noticed on Guam when the wave arrived.
22 posted on 01/20/2005 9:56:37 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: G.Mason

no, I am not pissed... I was actully amused. Darksheare and myself have this habit of misspelling :)


23 posted on 01/20/2005 9:56:56 AM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? Freepmail Visualops or myself for details)
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To: Arkinsaw

Uh, you have never seen a volcano erupt and how fast it can grow...have you? ANd contrary to your belief, they do appear, and it is a natural and common occurance.


24 posted on 01/20/2005 9:58:48 AM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? Freepmail Visualops or myself for details)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
---not going to dignify idiocy with further comment--
25 posted on 01/20/2005 9:59:48 AM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
" ... Darksheare and myself have this habit of misspelling."

Yeah ... I think I confessed that same problem in my post to you.

26 posted on 01/20/2005 10:00:10 AM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Are you to imply that you know me enough to say I don't know ANYTHING about Geology and Plate Tetonics?

Zavien, I gotta go against you on this one. A seamont forms slowly over time - first volcanic eruptions builds it up and then erosion and subsidence sends it below water - the Sumatra quake might have moved it in any one direction up to a couple of millimeters, but definitely not in a manner that would have created a hazard where none existed before.

The Navy went back to some old satellite data and spotted the seamount - underwater features generate variances in mean sea level.

27 posted on 01/20/2005 10:03:31 AM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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To: G.Mason

Did you mean "worst" speller? Spell check doesn't catch 'em all.


28 posted on 01/20/2005 10:04:53 AM PST by petitfour
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To: ProudVet77
That seems to be the best reasonable act.

Wasn't Navy so the SOP in this area is mere question. In the Air force, any aircraft flying into a mountain, the pilot usually is dead.

29 posted on 01/20/2005 10:06:21 AM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? Freepmail Visualops or myself for details)
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To: Pan_Yan; Excuse_My_Bellicosity

ping


30 posted on 01/20/2005 10:06:25 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (" It is not true that life is one damn thing after another-it's one damn thing over and over." ESV)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

The Sumatra Earthquake was 3500 miles away from where this accident happened.

That is like a 9.0 in Los Angeles causing a seamount to rise around Puerto Rico. Two completely different geological provinces that have no dynamic relation to each other.


31 posted on 01/20/2005 10:10:11 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: dirtboy
So much for college education....

Thanks anyway...I guess National Geographic is faking it too :)

32 posted on 01/20/2005 10:10:38 AM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? Freepmail Visualops or myself for details)
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To: Rebelbase
That is entirely not true. The shifting plates to react to each other, especially near the Mariannas

When I was in the Philippines, we had earthquakes constantly because of these plates

33 posted on 01/20/2005 10:12:05 AM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? Freepmail Visualops or myself for details)
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To: thombo

"Do sub commanders rely completely on charts when navigating?"

From what I understand they have to if they are trying to run silent. Sonar pings "hear" what's around, but they also are "heard" by others.


34 posted on 01/20/2005 10:12:09 AM PST by myheroesareDeadandRegistered (Ann Coulter/ Mark Levin tag team in '08)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
So much for college education....

Yep ... seven years of college down the drain.

35 posted on 01/20/2005 10:12:23 AM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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To: dirtboy

"Yep ... seven years of college down the drain."

HEY! I resemble that remark!


36 posted on 01/20/2005 10:14:00 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: petitfour
"Did you mean "worst" speller? Spell check doesn't catch 'em all."

Depends on the source.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=worse



Permission to leave the ship sir?

37 posted on 01/20/2005 10:14:35 AM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
That is entirely not true. The shifting plates to react to each other, especially near the Mariannas When I was in the Philippines, we had earthquakes constantly because of these plates

There are plates in that area, and the subduction zones generate the island arcs, including associated seamounts. Other islands and seamounts are created by hot spots - Hawaii, Midway and the Emperor Seamounts being the best example of that. But the Sumatra quake was too far away to cause any significant crustal movement in the region - realize that, right by the epicenter, the largest movements were around 50-60 feet - which is absolutely staggering from a geological viewpoint - but it would not have been enough to turn a seamount into a new hazard even if this had happened very close to the epicenter.

38 posted on 01/20/2005 10:16:53 AM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Uh, you have never seen a volcano erupt and how fast it can grow...have you? ANd contrary to your belief, they do appear, and it is a natural and common occurance.

There is usually some smoke, steam, and surface disturbance when an undersea volcano suddenly forms a sea mount. Odd that nobody noticed that.

If a seamount were suddenly to thrust itself up near Guam we probably would have heard about the resulting displacement of water.
39 posted on 01/20/2005 10:17:48 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Sola Veritas

Seems like a good way to lose good men.


40 posted on 01/20/2005 10:18:51 AM PST by DManA
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