Skipper of submarine San Francisco relieved of command

Navy Times | 1/20/5 | William H. McMichael

[SmithL]

Commander Mooney has been reassigned.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Hmmmn.

Good point.

[brityank]

Ships carry boats.

[RetiredArmy]

I live in Bremerton, WA. Lots of subbies up here. Bangor Nuke Base is 5 miles from my home. Nothing like living in the bullseye of a Soviet nuke missile target!!!!

[WildTurkey]

Well I always heard it like this, a ship can carry a boat and a boat can't carry a ship.

[Michael.SF.]

Added comment also on 'Boat' vs. 'Ship'

It is not uncommon for a sailor, assigned to a specific vessel, to affectionately refer to his vessel (of any size) as 'the boat' or 'my boat'.

However, if you are not in the Navy, or ex-navy, you would use the term 'ship'.

[llevrok]

Honestly, a sub named San Francisco "ramming" anything is too coincidental in my opinion.

[Ready4Freddy]

Thanks, Doo. RE: the sub's course - who sets the actual track, and defines the haven that the boat will travel in? The sub, or someone on shore?

BTW, if you insert target="_blank" between the " after the URL and the >, the link will open in a new window.

[dfwgator]

So they name a long tube full of sea men the "San Francisco." Who said the Navy doesn't have a sense of humor? What's next the SS Fire Island?

[shubi]

I am sure with the amount of volcanic activity around there are several uncharted mounds. Unfortunately, he couldn't use active sonar if on an operation.

[brityank]

See #108.


;^)

[shubi]

I can tell you were never in the Navy. ;-)

[Quix]

Is there a chance his career could be saved?

[Quix]

I believe that.

I hope that politics doesn't get much into it.

[shubi]

A collision at sea can ruin your entire day.

[Doohickey]

Cool, thanks for the tip.

Who sets the SUBNOTE track and the MHN depends on who owns operational command of the boat. So generally in local OPAREAS, it's the squadron or group commander. For most operations outside the local OPAREAS it's the Force commander. This ensures that SUBNOTEs don't interfere with each other, which happens quite a bit in the Atlantic.

Disclaimer: I've never operated in the PAC, so I've only got LANT experience to go by.

[Plutarch]

Public:You just fired an uncharted man!

Navy: He should have charted himself, if he's gonna decorate an undersea mountain with our submarine.

[shubi]

He was relieved and then reassigned. In my day he would have been sent to Adak, Alaska, but that is closed.

They will probably allow him to retire, but might reduce him a rank or two if he was doing something against orders.

[hosepipe]

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[hosepipe]

[ Meanwhile, Bush I served as President, W, two term President, and Jeb just has to say, "okay" to be the 08 nominee. ]

Pitiful but true.. We another Bush in the white house like the democrats need another John Kerry in 2008.. Oligarchy is mob rule just like democracy is.. just a different sort of mob.. However it is looking like we(U.S.) are a MOB that needs to ruled.. Are Jerry Springer and Wrestling fans becoming the majority.?....

God, I hope not.. < / prayer >

[Ready4Freddy]

So, if PAC operates the same as LANT, someone other than the SF's crew set the SUBNOTE. If this is the case, then it's not a question of the boat running an unsafe track (of the boat's choosing), unless it didn't comply with the SUBNOTE?

The MHN includes speed, does it not, so again, the question of speed is someone else's decision?