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Fifth-Columnests Inside Government in Revolt Against the Bush Administration
‘David Frum’s Diary in National Review ^ | January 17, 2005 | David Frum

Posted on 01/19/2005 8:11:40 PM PST by quidnunc

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Neocons Blacklisted from State Department?

Writing in his Diary at NRO, David Frum reports:

"The story is going around Washington that Senate Foreign Relations chairman Richard Lugar handed Condoleezza Rice a list of names of 'neocons' he wanted blacklisted from the Department of State and that Rice assented. If the story is true, you can see how it might signal unscrupulous present and former CIA officials to go even further- even to the extent of jeopardizing secret missions."

What Frum is referring to in the second passage is the willingness of anti-Bush officials in the USG to leak secret or classified material--in this case about alleged covert ops in Iran to Sy Hersh of the New Yorker--because these officials view the material as more evidence of a "neocon" project. Thus, since everyone knows that the "neocon" projects are leading the nation to ruin, leaking them is truly in the US' best interests and not, say, a crime involving giving away vital national security secrets of the United States that could kill agents or soldiers in the field.

We have no idea if Lugar's list is real or not, though it must be said that is exactly the kind of thing one would expect from a second-rate Senator like Lugar. Lugar's main accomplishment in the Senate is to have long since set the record for grinning like an idiot on the Sunday news programs while his "good friend," the Democratic senator from wherever is charging Republicans with murdering poor children, abetting racist lynchings and poisoning suburban water reservoirs.

The whole "neocon" incident did distress us for a moment since we had always assumed the American left was American enough to be immune to the kind of ultra-irrational anti-semitism found in Europe and the U.K. But, sure enough, the American Left, like the sad shell of what was once the British Broadcasting Corporation, began to use code words like "Wolfowitz" and "Perle" and to whisper about the "Israeli Lobby's" influence on the foreign policy of the United States. In its infantile manifestations the anti-Semitic left sounded like cartoon versions of the Arab News; in it's worst, more like Der Sturmer.

Leave it to a Republican senator to carry water for these idiots.

(NewSisyphus in NewSisyphus, January 19, 2005)
http://newsisyphus.blogspot.com/2005_01_01_newsisyphus_archive.html

1 posted on 01/19/2005 8:11:43 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

Keep an eye on this.


2 posted on 01/19/2005 8:15:25 PM PST by Peach (The grill on the hill. The Democrats are toast.)
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To: quidnunc

WTF


3 posted on 01/19/2005 8:16:17 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: quidnunc
I have a question.....


Don't they serve at the "leisure" of the President? If so why can't they be fired for not carrying out the orders or policy of the President? If I had failed to do what my boss told me to do I would be unemployed in a new york min.!
4 posted on 01/19/2005 8:20:45 PM PST by TMSuchman (American by birth,rebel by choice, MARINE BY GOD!)
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To: quidnunc
a second-rate Senator like Lugar

That's an interesting classification. Who are any first-rate Senators? I can't think of any whom I would consider outstanding, great, statesmenesque.
5 posted on 01/19/2005 8:22:58 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: TMSuchman

That changed during hillary's presidency --- they had every right to hire their own travel agents and nobody would have questioned it - but she HAD to destroy the ones that were there instead --- that is the lawyers & activist judges method of choice - DESTROY.


6 posted on 01/19/2005 8:24:09 PM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: Peach

There's nuts in D.C.

Remember how some tried to pin Michael Ladeen for planting "obviously fake" Bush NG records?


7 posted on 01/19/2005 8:26:08 PM PST by Shermy
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To: TomGuy

Current ones? You got me.

Past ones? Jesse Helms has to be at the top of that list.


8 posted on 01/19/2005 8:26:23 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: quidnunc
The whole "neocon" incident did distress us for a moment since we had always assumed the American left was American enough to be immune to the kind of ultra-irrational anti-semitism found in Europe and the U.K. But, sure enough, the American Left, like the sad shell of what was once the British Broadcasting Corporation, began to use code words like "Wolfowitz" and "Perle" and to whisper about the "Israeli Lobby's" influence on the foreign policy of the United States. In its infantile manifestations the anti-Semitic left sounded like cartoon versions of the Arab News; in it's worst, more like Der Sturmer.

Sure,......what else is 'good' news at 'state'.....?

(The 'EU' first and Always?)

9 posted on 01/19/2005 8:29:10 PM PST by maestro
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To: quidnunc

No to change the subject here, but the only way to break the power hold of these pompous bloviating egocentric senators is to institute tax reform and term limits.

4 terms in the senate, 6 in the house, is enough to make a difference.

I know we would lose some good guys...but overall I still think its worth it.


10 posted on 01/19/2005 8:29:17 PM PST by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: quidnunc

The state department is LONG overdue for a purge.

Too many USSR leftovers.


11 posted on 01/19/2005 8:31:20 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: maestro
The fact is that considerable elements of the national security apparatus have gone into open mutiny against this war.

He's a little hysterical. What war? Iraq? I've seen nothing to that effect, though there may be some turf battles.

12 posted on 01/19/2005 8:33:09 PM PST by Shermy
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To: quidnunc
...one would expect from a second-rate Senator like Lugar. Lugar's main accomplishment in the Senate is to have long since set the record for grinning like an idiot on the Sunday news programs while his "good friend," the Democratic senator from wherever is charging Republicans with murdering poor children, abetting racist lynchings and poisoning suburban water reservoirs.

What a perfect description of Lugar. He seemed more concerned about setting up the lunch hour than the actual hearing. I half expected him to say that his wife had prepared open face tuna melts and lemon pudding for his good friends. But this article makes him far more sinister than a grinning idiot.

13 posted on 01/19/2005 8:36:33 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: Dat Mon
4 terms in the senate

That is 24 years. I'd rather see 2 term. Being there 12 years is more than enough. Otherwise, they become deadwood floating from lobbyist to lobbyist and filling their retirement coffers.
14 posted on 01/19/2005 8:36:34 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: Shermy
The fact is that considerable elements of the national security apparatus have gone into open mutiny against this war.

...............to include the 'INS'......and 'FDA'........?

15 posted on 01/19/2005 8:39:52 PM PST by maestro
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To: Peach
We have no idea if Lugar's list is real or not...

I would suspect this story is garbage. Lugar is much too wishy-washy to take a stand against 'neocons'. I used to like him somewhat but he changed after his run for president was interrupted by the Oklahoma City bombing.

16 posted on 01/19/2005 8:42:05 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: Servant of the 9

Any thoughts on this?


17 posted on 01/19/2005 8:46:02 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc

A blacklist!!! Whoever wrote it got some explaining to do. I personally doubt this list exists.


18 posted on 01/19/2005 8:46:35 PM PST by Fishing-guy
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To: TomGuy
And how many years would you limit staffers for working on the Hill?

Until a Congressman or Senator has a good working knowledge of the maze that is Washington politics (at least two years), he must rely upon his staff to guide him. Many staffers just stay in place if their guy loses and take their contacts and influence to the highest bidder.

How would you term limit the unelected elite who control everything in Washington?

19 posted on 01/19/2005 8:54:23 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: longtermmemmory

Read "The Diplomad" among other fine new web-blogs by Foreign Service personnel.... And you will see how some of US feel:)


20 posted on 01/19/2005 9:02:38 PM PST by Jumper
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