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Amid all the talk of big-name QBs, Brady just wins
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Posted on 01/19/2005 2:45:31 PM PST by bikepacker67

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To: Trinity5
Remember we ended your streak and every paper keeps reminding the nation we ended your streak.

We'll be returning the favor - Bennie's 16 in a row is gonna have a period after it.

I just hope the bridges out of the Pit are girded by suicide hotline types.

41 posted on 01/19/2005 4:09:08 PM PST by bikepacker67 ("This is the best election night in history." -- DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe 11/2/04 8pm)
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To: dakine
Didn't Brady pick up a lot of splinters in his a$$ at Michigan?
What's that say about their coaching?
42 posted on 01/19/2005 4:23:35 PM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: Echo Talon
In both situations the kicker was given the opportunity to score by the offense. He did not come onto the field after the punt and make the kick from the opposing 20 yard line.

In one case the kicker did score and in the other he did not (still with the help of the team).

In both cases the team won or lost the game.

In any case the QB is generally the one running the offense (especially in a "2-minute" or "hurry up offense"), and in turn gets credit for it.
43 posted on 01/19/2005 4:23:52 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (Well.... I'll be)
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To: Wristpin

Chad will have surgery. He played hurt when he came back. I thought he came back to soon. Jets will be 12-4 next year. Book it!


44 posted on 01/19/2005 4:25:28 PM PST by slowhand520
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To: bikepacker67
. . . that Manning will be Dan Marino to Brady's Joe Montana. Marino had the records. Montana had the rings.

This comparison is unfairly harsh. One of the major reasons Montana had the rings is that he played on superior teams. The Miami teams in the Marino era never had much of a running game, and were often mediocre defensively. If Marino had played for the 49ers throughout his career, he could have ended up with more rings than Montana.

If I were an NFL general manager back then, I would have taken Marino over Montana any day of the week.

45 posted on 01/19/2005 4:27:43 PM PST by Alberta's Child (It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
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To: MarineBrat
He claims there's no injury, but the video tells otherwise...

That view of him doing that had me unsettled. I'm guessing/hoping that it wasn't related to internal structural damage

FYI, KDKA just reported that Ben WILL NOT be wearing those ridicules gloves this weekend, thank goodness. They surely had something to do with his accuracy problems against the Jets.

Speaking of accuracy problems, Brady threw 2 horrendous interceptions against the Steelers earlier in the season. Just a reminder for those who have been talkin smack on Ben's two interceptions last week.

46 posted on 01/19/2005 4:29:26 PM PST by Nexus
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To: andyandval

Go back and look at what happened the first time Belichik left Parcells . . . his record as the head coach in Cleveland was awful.


47 posted on 01/19/2005 4:30:43 PM PST by Alberta's Child (It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
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To: iconoclast

Michigan coaching stunk during the Brady years because John Cooper was unavailable....


48 posted on 01/19/2005 4:30:48 PM PST by dakine
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To: Alberta's Child

And the reason the NFL general managers back then did not?

No doubt Montana had help, but to take anything away from him is sour grapes.

Are you going to tell me Marino never choked?

Joe Cool for a reason.


49 posted on 01/19/2005 4:32:20 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (Well.... I'll be)
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To: CyberCowboy777

In Indy's first game this year with the Pats, the Colts were on the 1 yard line at the end of the game that TD would have won the game... James fumbled... I guess that was Manning fault as well, sort of like everything is Bush's fault.


50 posted on 01/19/2005 4:33:10 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: N. Theknow

If you have the worst defense in the league(like Indy does) Who would you rather have Manning or Brady? That answer is easy...


51 posted on 01/19/2005 4:34:41 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Alberta's Child
Excellent point. I knew I was missing a big chunk of the history. sorry
52 posted on 01/19/2005 4:35:04 PM PST by andyandval
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To: bikepacker67

I do think Brady's a very good quarterback, but let's keep things in perspective here . . . at this point in time, Brady would have the same number of Super Bowl rings as stellar QBs like Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Mark Rypien.


53 posted on 01/19/2005 4:36:06 PM PST by Alberta's Child (It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
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To: Echo Talon
You are really twisting the logic to get from 'team win, team loss' to Manning's fault for every loss.

I am not taking anything from Manning, he can justly take credit for leading his team as far as they got.

The problem with your logic is disqualifying the QB as the leader on the field, and thus his credit.
54 posted on 01/19/2005 4:36:53 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (Well.... I'll be)
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To: CyberCowboy777
And the reason the NFL general managers back then did not?

Because Marino was still in high school when Montana was drafted in 1979. Montana was a third-round pick that year -- the 82nd player selected overall, and the fourth quarterback. ;-)

As a Giants fan, I'm one of the few fans who can honestly say that Montana didn't look like a Hall of Famer to me. I know he was a great player, but his post-season record against my team was surprisingly marginal -- including a 49-3 shellacking in the 1986-87 playoffs that is still one of the most lopsided games in playoff history.

55 posted on 01/19/2005 4:42:12 PM PST by Alberta's Child (It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
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To: andyandval
That's OK -- most people don't remember those years Belichick spent in Cleveland.

On a related note, I'll mention that during his tenure he was so erratic in dealing with his players that many people in the NFL thought he'd never be a head coach again. That's why he went back to doing what he did best -- working as a defensive coordinator.

56 posted on 01/19/2005 4:44:59 PM PST by Alberta's Child (It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Brady has two rings...


57 posted on 01/19/2005 4:51:49 PM PST by dakine
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To: dakine

That's right . . . my mistake. I didn't finish the sentence I originally intended to type -- ". . . were it not for a botched officials' call in that playoff game against the Raiders back in 2002."


58 posted on 01/19/2005 4:54:21 PM PST by Alberta's Child (It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Any number of teams, maybe Denver :~), could have picked him up (after he went pro) if they thought he could win SBs.

Postseason from '81 to '90 (Joe as a starter) SF 2 vs. NY 3

SBs? SF 3 vs. NY 1


59 posted on 01/19/2005 5:04:45 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (Well.... I'll be)
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To: CyberCowboy777
Lets compare Brady to Manning since 2001 shall we?


60 posted on 01/19/2005 5:09:54 PM PST by Echo Talon
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