Culture shock?

Jerusalem Post ^ | 1-19-05 | DANIEL PIPES

[SJackson]

The mentality of radical Islam includes several main components, of which one is Muslim supremacism – believers alone should rule and otherwise enjoy an exalted status over non-Muslims. This outlook dominates the Islamist worldview as much in the elegant streets of Paris as in the rude caves of Afghanistan.

Two recent American criminal cases highlight this attribute. Both involve the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Saudi-funded group whose leadership sometimes announces its goal to Islamize the United States ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant").

The first criminal case concerns Dale T. Ehrgott, a non-Muslim insurance broker living in Reno, Nevada. Appalled by CAIR's record of apologizing for terrorism, plus the then-recent arrest on terrorism-related charges of its former employee Ismail Royer, Ehrgott dashed off four angry e-mails to CAIR in mid-2003.

One read: "We accept you [sic] holy war. Looking forward to it very much. We can deal with you easily especially since you are on our soil. You have taught us much about terrorism so get ready to be the receiver."

In another message, some weeks later, he wrote: "You are making a lot of people angry and you idiots are sitting ducks."

"It wasn't a threat, just a nasty e-mail," Ehrgott told The Associated Press. He described CAIR as "an anti-American organization" and points out that at no time did he physically intimidate it. CAIR saw matters differently and forwarded the notes to law enforcement, which came down heavily on Ehrgott, perhaps because the Department of Justice decided to make an example of him.

Describing these e-mails as containing "a threat to injure members" of CAIR, the US attorney for Nevada, Daniel Bogden, convinced a federal grand jury in March 2004 to indict Ehrgott. Bogden then threw the book at Ehrgott, who, if convicted, faced up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

But after his September 2004 trial ended in a hung jury, the feds abruptly lost their taste for prosecuting Ehrgott. They settled with him on Jan. 13, letting him off with a trivial sentence – one year's probation and 50 hours of community service, implicitly acknowledging that he had acted rashly but not dangerously.

The second case concerns Taiser Hosien Okashah, a Muslim food broker (and an illegal immigrant from Syria) living in Miami Beach. On June 3, 2004, Okashah threatened to destroy a Best Buy store in Plantation, Florida, because, according to the store clerk's sworn testimony, he was displeased with a rebate offer on a laptop computer. "I am going to come back and blow up this place if I do not get my money this time," the clerk quotes him saying. On June 29, the authorities arrested Okashah, charged him with threatening to detonate an explosive, and briefly jailed him without bond.

Altaf Ali, executive director of CAIR's Florida office, leapt to Okashah's defense. Muslims, he said, are "very concerned that a very humble member of the community, for asking a question about a rebate, can be put in jail."

Ali attributed Okashah's travails to a miscommunication exacerbated by the negative stereotyping of Muslims. A CAIR press release further specified that the arrest stemmed from "language barriers and over-reactions by store employees and law enforcement officials."

Ali also sought to have the judge in the case removed because he had ordered Okashah to undergo a psychological evaluation. Nonetheless, Okashah is scheduled to go to trial on Feb. 14, for the second-degree felony charge of "threatening to detonate an explosive device."

In Cair's eyes, then, when a non-Muslim broker responds too emotionally to terrorism, he deserves years in jail and financial ruin. But when a Muslim broker threatens a store, he's the innocent victim of "negative stereotyping" who deserves release without any punishment at all.

The Ehrgott and Okashah incidents fit an ugly Islamist pattern of double standards. Although CAIR presents itself as a civil-rights group, it is just the opposite – an organization asserting special privileges for Muslims and derogating the rights of others.

When Western institutions grant legitimacy to Islamist organizations like CAIR they strengthen Islamist supremacism and its drive for Muslim dominance. Those institutions need to get smart and retract that legitimacy, reserving it for Muslims who reject radical Islam.

The writer is director of the Middle East Forum.

[Chemist_Geek]

Ping.

"The greatest affliction to strike the nation of Islam came from some of its own sons, who were lured by the devil," he said. "They have called the nation infidel, they have shed protected blood and they have spread vice on earth, with explosions and destruction and killing of innocents."

He pointedly asked of Muslim youth: "How would you meet God? With innocent blood you shed or helped shed?"

[ex-Texan]

Thanks for the *Ping* ! I saw that news report on Yahoo-AP and was wondering whether it had been posted on FreeRepublic.

[DTA]

Many American women have met the most charming and wonderful men in U.S. and gladly accepted to marry them and go to live in Saudi Arabia. Their prince charming would go through sudden transformation the moment jet touched down desert tarmac. Then they learned of their true nature.

Perhaps we can learn something from them. Do not judge the book by the cover.

The most important aspect that escapes Westerners is AL TAQIYAH. Without understanding AL TAQIYAH it is impossible to judge Islam.

Would you buy a used car only on car salesman word? Regardless of the fact how nice and charming he is, I would do some tire kickin' myself and then ask for mechanics opinion.

Reading of Qur'an is a must. It is all there.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against Islamic norms in Muslim countries. Let them choose how they will live. I have everything against instilling those norms here under false pretense of 'multiculturalism'.

Because being Dhimmi is neither funny nor healthy.

[ex-Texan]

I know all about corrupt and young Arab men inflamed by lust for American women. Forest Gump said it best, "S*** happens." As for Al Taqiyah, I know all about it as well. I have spend months of study on the Internet, and reading Islamdic history is enlightening indeed.

But today the most revered of Saudi clerics condemned fanatics who would kill innocents under the influence of Satanic forces or the doctrine Al Taqiyah.

Prayers of Top Saudi Cleric

I believe that this development is good news for the U.S.

[EdReform]

He took great pains to explain how Muslims considered Jesus to be the greatest prophet after Mohammad.

Qur’an 5:17 - Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.’

Qur’an 5:51 - Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.

Qur’an 5:72 - They are surely infidels who blaspheme and say: ‘God is Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.’ But the Messiah only said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’

Qur’an 5:75 - The Messiah, Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had to eat their food. See how Allah does make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded!

[JoeV1]

The left has the ACLU and the Ragheads have CAIR.

[EdReform]

But today the most revered of Saudi clerics condemned fanatics who would kill innocents under the influence of Satanic forces or the doctrine Al Taqiyah.

Why don't you show me where these 'most revered of Saudi clerics' have issued a fatwah, calling upon 'peaceful' muslims to hunt down and turn in these 'condemned' islamic fanatics?

Talk (of condemnation) is cheap. Let's see these clerics issue the fatwah, condeming bin laden and his terrorist ilk and demanding that they turn themselves in, and commanding the muslim population to hunt down all muslim fanatics in the U.S. and abroad, and bring them to justice. Ask your muslim friend if he'll support that and ask his local cleric to get the ball rolling by requesting a fatwah be issued from the highest levels.

[EdReform]

I am happy to reach out with love to Muslims who follow the true teachings of Mohammad.

Please tell me what you know about these 'true teachings' of mohammad. Citations would be appreciated.

[Madame Dufarge]

I was told by someone who would describe himself as a "moderate" Muslim that Muslim clerics who encourage their followers to commit violence are really no different than, say Jerry Falwell.

How exactly does one separate the wheat from the chaff?

[ex-Texan]

Ed --

Hit my link posted earlier above if you seek enlightenment. I will not engage in debating the pro-and-cons of Islam with you. It is clear to me that such a discussion will only prove to be an exercize in futility. You appear to have closed your mind to any rational discussions because you have already decided, basically, that 'the only good Muslims are deceased.' Or, perhaps under guard at Guantamo, Cuba. I reiterate that I believe GWB's position on Islam is correct. There is a middle way to a peaceful solution.

Madame --

I do not know your friend or his political views or his stated preferences for 'moderate' Islam. Of course, he exaggerates wildly about Jerry Falwell, who, as I recall, has never called for Jihad against Islam. But I do not care very much for Falwell's views, was never a fan of his opinions or a member of his church. Your friend appears to have bought the liberal 'line' and has swallowed the bait whole along with a poisoned hook. Sad, but true.

[Madame Dufarge]

Of course, he exaggerates wildly about Jerry Falwell, who, as I recall, has never called for Jihad against Islam.

I'm not a particular fan of Falwell's either, and the point you make was mine also, ex-Texan.

The person of whom I speak is indeed a liberal, so clear thought isn't to be expected.

[frannie]

This is the best statement I have ever read. It is so true.

It is hard to understand how all Americans can't see it. Their goal is to have the ENTIRE world controlled by Muslims. They state it over and over and over.

Frannie

[EdReform]

Hit my link posted earlier above if you seek enlightenment.

I hit your link in reply 24 earlier. In that reply you stated:

I believe that this development is good news for the U.S.

Did you actually read what you posted? Here's what the article stated:

"... While speaking at a mosque on the plain of Mount Arafat, Sheik Abdul-Aziz al-Sheik, the kingdom's grand mufti, referred to the violent campaign waged by Muslim militants affiliated with the al-Qaida terror network against targets in the kingdom, attacks Saudi authorities have been battling the past two years.

Al-Sheik said the greatest test for the Muslim nation is its own sons gone astray, and he warned them not to be used by enemies of the nation to weaken it..."

How is this good news for the U.S. when Al-Sheik is only condemning muslim-on-muslim violence, by its own sons, in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia? It appears that his concern is only for fellow muslims - in Saudi Arabia. Where's his condemnation of the islamic terrorists who are working to destabilize Iraq? I certainly didn't read about Al-Sheik offering up any prayers for the defeat of islamic terrorists who are killing innocents there.

As for enlightenment, yes your link provided the following:

"... Al-Sheik also said that campaigns were being waged against the people of Islam -- "military campaigns, thought campaigns, economic campaigns, and media campaigns.

"They are all against this religion. The nation was described as a terrorist nation, that we are terrorists and backward," he said. "Conferences have been held and conspiracies have been woven ... all unjustly and unfairly..."

Sounds exactly like the whining from CAIR.

I will not engage in debating the pro-and-cons of Islam with you. It is clear to me that such a discussion will only prove to be an exercize in futility.

Can't back up your arguments with facts, eh? Since you asked me to consider your link, here's a few for you to consider:

Islamic terror based on Qu’ran: ex-CIA official

A former top official of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency paints a menacing picture of the relationship between Islam and terrorism.

"Islamic terrorism is based on Islam as revealed through the Qu’ran," keynote speaker Bruce Tefft claimed in a panel discussion at the University of Toronto on jihad and global terrorism. The session, held late last month, was sponsored by the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Speakers Action Group.

Tefft, a founder of the CIA’s counter-terrorism center and now an advisor to the New York Police Department’s intelligence and counter-terrorism divisions, said that without Islam, the long-term strategy of Al Qaeda and its followers make little sense...

In a harsh indictment of Islam - the world’s fastest growing religion and the second-largest faith after Christianity - Tefft said that while there may be moderate Muslims, Islam itself is immoderate.

And, he added, "There is no difference between Islam and Islamic fundamentalism, which is a totalitarian construct..."

According to Tefft, the Qu’ran enjoins Muslims to believe that the whole world should be governed by the principles of Islam ^*, an expansionist religion that has historically grown through conquest.

All infidels are to be converted, enslaved or killed, he said, drawing on the knowledge of Bernard Lewis, a Jewish historian who has written books about Islam and Islamic history.

Tefft, whose career at the CIA spanned 21 years, argued that Islam was a religion of peace and tolerance in its formative phase, but has since grown intolerant of non-Muslims.

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/response_msa0904.html

Radical Islam's 'plan' to take over America - Arab-American author outlines secret 20-year strategy to undermine country

^* ‘Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth’

--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998

You appear to have closed your mind to any rational discussions because you have already decided, basically, that 'the only good Muslims are deceased.' Or, perhaps under guard at Guantamo, Cuba.

Spare me your accusations of islamophobia. Nowhere did I imply or state that 'the only good Muslims are deceased' or that muslims need to placed under guard. Muslims can put a stop to the violence in islam and reform it, or people like me will continue to point out what's wrong with islam, using their "prophet's" own words.

I reiterate that I believe GWB's position on Islam is correct. There is a middle way to a peaceful solution.

While I voted for and support President Bush, this is one instance where I disagree with him. I often wonder if he really believes that 'islam is a religion of peace' or is just saying it to momentarily appease groups such as CAIR. Guess we'll find out in the coming days.

[EdReform]

Ping

[Happy2BMe]

WHAT PART OF SUPERMACISM DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, INFIDEL!? - ping.

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Two recent American criminal cases highlight this attribute. Both involve the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Saudi-funded group whose leadership sometimes announces its goal to Islamize the United States ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant").

[tet68]

To allow continued existence of CAIR is like allowing a filial of the Nazi party to function in America during WWII.



When you think of CAIR, think of "The Bund".

[tet68]

SUPERMACISM

Just like a muslim not to use spellcheck!

Hahaha.

[Boazo]

This makes me SCREAMING MAD!!!!!!!!!!

[Happy2BMe]

"You'd better stop this bull---- or we are going to track you down like a chicken and kill you.,"

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'ISLAMIC HATE' EYED IN SLAYS(threatened for making anti-Muslim remarks online)

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FAMILY OF 4 SLAUGHTERED

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WHAT PART OF SUPERMACISM DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, INFIDEL!?

In New Jersey, USA, four people - a married couple and their two teenage daughters - were tied up and had their throats cut, so they would bleed to death slowly.

It was done because the father had said something unflattering about Islam; the murderers were out to defend their "peaceful" religion and wreak revenge on these Christian "infidels".

Unbelievable?

READ THIS!

WWIII HAS BEGUN

[Fiddlstix]

To allow continued existence of CAIR is like allowing a filial of the Nazi party to function in America during WWII.

Well Said!