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Christians and Muslims brawl in New Jersey
Jihad Watch ^ | Jan. 18, 2005 | Unknown

Posted on 01/18/2005 8:35:08 AM PST by conservativecorner

"Christians & Muslims Brawl," from the New York Post, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:

January 18, 2005 -- An emotional holy war broke out yesterday on the streets of Jersey City, where Muslims and Christians clashed and lobbed insults at the funeral for a devout family of Egyptian immigrants who may have been slain for their religious beliefs. While mourners inside the St. George & St. Shenouda Coptic Orthodox Church prayed for peace in the wake of a murder that escalated religious tensions at home and abroad, fights erupted amid the crowd that spilled outside the church, where angry Coptic Christians pointed accusing fingers at their Muslim counterparts.

Hossam Armanious, 37, his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their two daughters, Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, were found dead in their Oakland Avenue home early Friday after relatives told police nobody had heard from them in days.

Investigators said each victim was bound, gagged and stabbed in the neck, and the early focus was on anti-Muslim remarks Armanious made in a popular religious chat room after a relative said Armanious was threatened online for expressing his Christian beliefs.

Officials said the religious persecution theory is still under investigation, but said some evidence points to robbery as a motive.

Members of the city's Coptic community — many of whom left Egypt like Armanious to escape religious threats — believe there is a connection between their faith and the murders.

That sentiment was expressed loudly by one parishioner inside who began yelling at Muslims, including a sheik, who attended the service.

"Muslim is the killer," he said over and over before he was dragged from the church by five police officers who hustled him into an unmarked police car and quickly drove away.

Tensions were high even before the first copper-colored casket arrived, when, during a procession to the church from Journal Square, family members asked mourners to put away anti-Muslim protest signs.

But emotions really boiled over in the moments after the wistful service when a skirmish broke out as the four black hearses adorned with the victims' pictures were being loaded.

Punches were thrown, people were shoved and police rushed in to break up the brawl that had moved up Bergen Avenue to a nearby parking garage.

For a while, cops kept the crowd separated with a metal garage gate until they could restore order.

"I think people here have fueled it," family friend Henry Simon, 35, said of the tension.

"The sheik came at the wrong time. It's like spitting on their graves."

Those too sad to be angry had kind words for the deeply religious family, especially young Sylvia, who died a day before her Sweet 16 party.

If robbery were the motive — and reports have been conflicting about whether the family was robbed at all — it would be strange that the victims were all stabbed in the neck, as opposed to any other place. But then there is the possibility that they were struck in the necks for being unbelievers, in accord with Qur'an 47:4. The idea that if it were a robbery, it couldn't be a religiously-motivated killing, is silly. After all, historically Muslim warriors always plundered the victims of jihad.

Note also this interesting detail buried at the end of the story:

Investigators learned that a relative of the victims had helped prosecutors in their case against Lynne Stewart, the lawyer charged with passing messages to followers of her client, blind Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, a convicted terrorist ringleader. But sources close to the case said there is no connection between the relative and the murders.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: armanious; coptic; hatecrime; jihadinamerica
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To: conservativecorner

What in the heck were the Muslims doing at the funeral if not to stir up trouble?


41 posted on 01/18/2005 11:50:01 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: conservativecorner

They will post charge the estate of the father (monetary proceeds of said suit will go to the local mosque) with hate crimes for saying yaddi, yaddi, bad things about the muslimes and their non-religion of shiite.


42 posted on 01/18/2005 12:03:14 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Heatseeker
"First, there is a huge misconception in American media as what is an Islamic extremist,"

I agree...You're either a muzlim or you ain't...Muzlims execute non muzlims...That is their instruction from their phrophet and god...Some do the killing...They all do the condoning...

Emad Soliman, 35, of Jersey City, who came to the United States from Alexandria, Egypt in 2000, said there is a faction of the Coptic community that is trying to put a political spin on the tragic murders

Another lie by the mass-murdering machine...No politics involved...It's is strictly a religious war on all non muzlims and the Coptics know that...Let's get it right...

43 posted on 01/18/2005 12:04:47 PM PST by Iscool
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To: SunkenCiv

I'm getting old but, I can still 'pass-the-ammo.'


44 posted on 01/18/2005 12:15:37 PM PST by blam
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To: conservativecorner
Investigators said each victim was bound, gagged and stabbed in the neck, and the early focus was on anti-Muslim remarks Armanious made in a popular religious chat room after a relative said Armanious was threatened online for expressing his Christian beliefs.

This is how it begins. Muslimes move into an area, and begin inciting violence against those who do not share their perverted beliefs. In the US, the scum will use our belief in fairness and decency to destroy us from within, and failing that, they'll turn to threats and murder.

The left in America has sought to destroy our liberties since the 1920s, and has aligned itself with our worst enemies (Stalin, Mao, Ho, Pol Pot, Castro, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, et. al.) and now is taking on the cause of the islamists. John Kerry called al-Sadr a "legitimate voice" in Iraq, and our own beloved president keeps referring to this vile cult as a "religion of peace"....THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!

Islam is no more a "religion of peace" than a B-28 nuclear weapon is a Daisy air rifle! We are locked in a struggle of civilizations, and the price if we lose is another dark ages from which man may never emerge! Do we want that? If our political leaders can't grasp that fact, they have no business serving in office!

When I hear politicians talk about "good muslims" as if they are just Christians who wear turbans, it makes me want to retch! My Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, never raped a 9 year old girl, never murdered anyone and NEVER SAID THAT WE WOULD GET TO GO TO AN ETERNAL BROTHEL IF WE DID! A "good muslim" is a terrorist BY DEFINITION! Islam is not a religion, it is a SICKNESS! The only cure for it is to fight it, to give those who wish to leave it safety from the demons who would kill them for leaving it, and to destroy those who would kill us!

Turning the other cheek is all well and good, but does it also mean that we allow ourselves to be killed? Didn't Christ also teach that His people should defend themselves when necessary? The time has passed for talk and for explaining to these animals that in America we don't kill those people who aren't muslim! The killers of this family should be found, tried, and if found guilty should be executed! Those who collaborated with them should be expelled from the US post haste! And those who sympathize with them should be given one-way tickets to the islamic craphole of their choice....and NEVER let back into the US!

Sorry....this makes me sick. Those people never hurt anyone and the pieces of filth who killed them because of their Christianity should suffer the same fate.

45 posted on 01/18/2005 12:36:48 PM PST by Bombardier (SAC- 1946-1994. Mission Accomplished, but needed now more than ever before.)
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To: conservativecorner
who may have been slain for their religious beliefs.

Great is their reward in heaven.

46 posted on 01/18/2005 12:40:28 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: conservativecorner

"Religion of Peace" strikes again. No racial or religious profilling need ever be considered.


47 posted on 01/18/2005 12:43:51 PM PST by zerosix
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To: SJackson

That was exactly my question when I read it. If they were truly friends of the family, then they would have had enough respect to keep their mouths shut and try to placate any distraught relatives rather than get into a shouting match.


48 posted on 01/18/2005 12:58:43 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: BullDog108; Biker4Bush; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Happy2BMe
"I think that there is a lot more to this story and I hope it is told."

Here is the real story. If we had a real media, this would have been the headlines. Lynne Stewart should have been tried for treason, shortly after 9/11, found guilty, sentenced to death and buried sometime in 2002.

Investigators learned that a relative of the victims had helped prosecutors in their case against Lynne Stewart, the lawyer charged with passing messages to followers of her client, blind Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, a convicted terrorist ringleader. But sources close to the case said there is no connection between the relative and the murders.

49 posted on 01/18/2005 1:30:12 PM PST by Grampa Dave ( The MSM has been a weapon of mass disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Lokks like some one has the keyword Jihad in America on this thread....


50 posted on 01/18/2005 1:33:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: conservativecorner; dennisw; SJackson; MeekOneGOP; TrueBeliever9; Geist Krieger; JohnHuang2; ...
WORDS WILL TURN TO ACTION BEFORE IT'S OVER - ping.

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"An emotional holy war broke out yesterday on the streets of Jersey City, where Muslims and Christians clashed and lobbed insults at the funeral for a devout family of Egyptian immigrants who may have been slain for their religious beliefs."

51 posted on 01/18/2005 1:35:21 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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To: conservativecorner
"Muslim is the killer," he said over and over before he was dragged from the church by five police officers who hustled him into an unmarked police car and quickly drove away.

So Muslim is NOT "the killer"??

Would the National Guard have been called in had the Coptic Christian yelled, "REMEMBER 9/11!!"??

The 'Religion of Peace' sure does have friends in High Places.

52 posted on 01/18/2005 1:37:09 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Grampa Dave; BullDog108; Biker4Bush; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Ernest_at_the_Beach; zerosix
PROMOTE EVOLUTION - GET PROMOTED - EXPOSE ISLAM - GET FIRED! - ping.

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A Michigan teacher accused of making an anti-Arab remark to his students is awaiting a decision on whether he'll keep his job.

The teacher is on the faculty of a middle school in Dearborn, Michigan, a Detroit suburb where about 30-thousand residents are Arab-American.

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Poll: Nearly half of all Americans support restricting rights of Muslim-Americans

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Are American Arabs loyal?

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In U.S., 44 Percent Say Restrict Muslims

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The Evidence: Chronology of Attacks on the West
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God will destroy America by the hands of the Muslims....God will not give Japan or Europe the honor of bringing down the United States; this is an honor God will bestow upon Muslims." – Nation of Islam Leader Louis Farrakhan

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The Character Assassination of Yassar Arafat by Western Media

(click on Lou's Link)

"We pray that Allah (God) will bless the Palestinian people to honor the goals and strength of Yasser Arafat."

"Do not let the talk of hidden bank accounts, money, corruption or what he gave to his wife and family diminish Yasser Arafat’s role or contribution to the struggle of the Palestinian people."

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Tue Apr 20, 8:09 AM ET
Reuters

Jermaine Jackson(L), brother of Michael Jackson, Jackson family spokesman Firpo W. Carr(C) and Khawaja Khurshid Reshi hold a rug with a woven picture of Michael Jackson April 19, 2004, in Manama. Jermaine Jackson, in the Gulf to promote understanding between Muslims and his fellow Americans, said Tuesday that Muslims are 'the new Negroes in America.' Jermaine, a convert to Islam and dressed in white Arab garb, has been speaking about Islam and U.S. 'adventures' in Iraq to enthusiastic audiences at Koranic centers and universities in the Gulf Arab state of Bahrain. (Hamad I Mohammed/Reuters)

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AMERICA'S  ISLAMIZATION
CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) spokesman Ibrahim Hooper indicated in a 1993 interview with the Minneapolis Star Tribune that he wants to see the United States become a Muslim country.

American Black Muslim MovementBefore Americans start pitying the poor Brits (who truly deserve a good bashing from Islam), they should checked their own  neighborhoods!  Besides Louis Farrakan's Nation of Islam, the Black Panther and New Black Panther Parties with all their black wanna-be Muslims, there are also REAL Muslims and their communities are springing up everywhere. In 1970 there were an estimated one-hundred thousand Muslims in the United States. Today, a mere 34 years later, the number is approximately 7-10 million! More than a quarter of a million people of Arab descent live in southeastern Michigan, making the area the second-largest Arab community outside the Middle East (after Paris, France). One frightening example of their prolific growth in American is Dearborn, Michigan. Of a total population ofArab-American living in Dearborn, Michigan 90,000 Dearborn residents, 25,000 are now Arabs!  And of all the Dearborn children under the age of 18, a full 58% are Arab children! Other developing centers of Arab/Muslim growth are Florida, Texas, New Jersey and California. God Bless America!

Every year huge numbers of Arabs/Muslims from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Kuwaitis, Syria, Egypt, Albania and dozens of other ethnic Muslim states who hate America swarm into the United States and add to the already increasing numbers of Arab/Muslim. And every year hundreds of mosques, which preach the extermination of all non-Muslims and the Islamization of America, are being added to the thousands already pointing their minarets skyward. The vast majority (80%) of American mosques are funded with Saudi Arabian money and most subscribe to 18th century Wahhabism that calls for the spread of Islam through violence. Many mosques, "Islamic Learning Centers" and Arab/Muslim Student Unions are distributing large numbers of pamphlets and leaflets attacking Judaism, Christianity and other non-Muslim religions and urging young Americans (esp. angry black Americans) to convert to Islam! Not surprisingly, a large number of African-Americans convert to Islam while in the prison systems! The National Islamic Prison Foundation, which coordinates a campaign to convert inmates to Islam claim an average of 135,000 such conversions per year. And if thousands of self-hating, Leftwing Jews hadn't already converted to Buddhism, they too might be targeted!

The nerve of these evil people to exploit the freedoms given to them here in America and other democracies when their goal is to extinguish ALL freedom!  

Islamic takeover of U.S. flagMany Arabs in America are a disloyal fifth column. They work relentlessly to undermine the U.S. struggle to survive in the face of the growing Muslim terrorist threat. The huge Muslim birthrate, Muslim immigration, the massive expansion of Muslim religious and educational institutions that convert Christians to Islam and the purchase of major U.S. companies by Muslim oil sheiks are all also part of their strategy. America's great friend (???), Saudi Arabia, from whose land came fifteen of the nineteen September 11th Arab hijackers (who flattened the World Trade Center, a portion of the Pentagon and made a very big hole in a Pennsylvania field), has for some time been spear-heading the spread of Islamic doctrine. The Saudis have wholly or partly financed some 210 Islamic Centers (check out this one in Boca Raton, Florida!!!), more than 1,500 mosques and 202 colleges and almost 2,000 schools for educating Muslim children in non-Islamic countries in Europe, Asia, South America, Canada, Australia and America. Check out the mosque near you and look for Islamic propagandists exalting the virtues of Islam to appear soon in YOUR kid's school. Speaking of schools, watch them try to infuse Islam and Islamic rights INTO school systems! Did you know that some Islamic schools in America are teaching hatred toward American Jews and Christians? And what about regular North American colleges and universities? Check out one of the so-called "social activities" of the M.S.A. (Muslim Student Association)! And don't forget to pick up the U.S. Postal Service's new 34 cent Eid-il-Mubarak stamp!

Note: For a better appreciation of the colonization of Arab/Islamic terror squads arrive, colonize and flourish in America and how they interconnect, recruit, raise money and use the American freedoms and legal system as a cover. 

53 posted on 01/18/2005 1:37:30 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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To: Happy2BMe; Grampa Dave
Interesting thread here has comments on Lynne Stewart, article by David Horowitz:

In a Time of War, the Left Is on Trial: 'This is no longer a loyal opposition.'

54 posted on 01/18/2005 1:40:34 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: F16Fighter
The 'Religion of Peace' sure does have friends in High Places.

You bet, see this:

Unholy Alliance
by David Horowitz
Regnery Publishing, Inc.; ISBN: 089526076X
Hardcover - 256 pages (September 2004)


In this tour de force on the most important issue of our time, David Horowitz, confronts the paradox of how so many Americans, including the leadership of the Democratic Party, could turn against the War on Terror. He finds an answer in a political Left that shares a view of America as the “Great Satan” with America’s radical Islamic enemies. This Left, which once made common cause with Communists, has now joined forces with radical Islam in attacking America’s defenses at home and its policies abroad. From their positions of influence in the university and media culture, leftists have defined America as the “root cause” of the attacks against it. In a remarkable exploration of the “Mind of the Left,” Horowitz traces the evolution of American radicalism from its Communist past to its “anti-war” present. He then shows how this Left was able to turn the Democratic Party presidential campaign around and reshape its views on the War on Terror.

Horowitz’s Unholy Alliance, writes John Haynes, the noted historian of American Communism, “is an insightful, brilliant examination of the mental world of the radical left. Horowitz shows how today’s radicals, unwilling to reflect on the internal flaws that destroyed Marxism-Leninism from within, have embraced an all-consuming nihilism in its place. This has led them to a hatred of American institutions and a solidarity with Islamic terrorists that makes the radical left more properly regarded as dangerous than loony.”

Unholy Alliance is an eye-opening book that should unsettle conventional assumptions and reveals why intellectuals and political leaders who applaud Michael Moore are no laughing matter. As Harvey Klehr, author of Venona: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America, writes, “The world Communist movement may be moribund, but its habits of mind and ideological fantasies have not disappeared. This is a fascinating and depressing account.”

Price: $19.01Click here to order:


55 posted on 01/18/2005 1:44:07 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Grampa Dave; Happy2BMe

56 posted on 01/18/2005 2:05:19 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Veeery interesting...

Thanks for the recommendation.

57 posted on 01/18/2005 2:12:56 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: BullDog108

Yeah, there is a lot not being told here. FYI, when I lived in Jersey City, it was a absolute cesspool. Guess only got worse.


58 posted on 01/18/2005 2:15:20 PM PST by tob2 (Old Fossil and Proud of It!)
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To: N3WBI3

Yes, and as Coptic, they are persecuted for being Christians.


59 posted on 01/18/2005 2:16:39 PM PST by tob2 (Old Fossil and Proud of It!)
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To: oldenuff2no
well, the IRA and the Maifia used to at least do some good......

maybe we need a rebirth ......

60 posted on 01/18/2005 2:25:05 PM PST by cherry
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