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Christians and Muslims brawl in New Jersey
Jihad Watch ^ | Jan. 18, 2005 | Unknown

Posted on 01/18/2005 8:35:08 AM PST by conservativecorner

"Christians & Muslims Brawl," from the New York Post, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:

January 18, 2005 -- An emotional holy war broke out yesterday on the streets of Jersey City, where Muslims and Christians clashed and lobbed insults at the funeral for a devout family of Egyptian immigrants who may have been slain for their religious beliefs. While mourners inside the St. George & St. Shenouda Coptic Orthodox Church prayed for peace in the wake of a murder that escalated religious tensions at home and abroad, fights erupted amid the crowd that spilled outside the church, where angry Coptic Christians pointed accusing fingers at their Muslim counterparts.

Hossam Armanious, 37, his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their two daughters, Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, were found dead in their Oakland Avenue home early Friday after relatives told police nobody had heard from them in days.

Investigators said each victim was bound, gagged and stabbed in the neck, and the early focus was on anti-Muslim remarks Armanious made in a popular religious chat room after a relative said Armanious was threatened online for expressing his Christian beliefs.

Officials said the religious persecution theory is still under investigation, but said some evidence points to robbery as a motive.

Members of the city's Coptic community — many of whom left Egypt like Armanious to escape religious threats — believe there is a connection between their faith and the murders.

That sentiment was expressed loudly by one parishioner inside who began yelling at Muslims, including a sheik, who attended the service.

"Muslim is the killer," he said over and over before he was dragged from the church by five police officers who hustled him into an unmarked police car and quickly drove away.

Tensions were high even before the first copper-colored casket arrived, when, during a procession to the church from Journal Square, family members asked mourners to put away anti-Muslim protest signs.

But emotions really boiled over in the moments after the wistful service when a skirmish broke out as the four black hearses adorned with the victims' pictures were being loaded.

Punches were thrown, people were shoved and police rushed in to break up the brawl that had moved up Bergen Avenue to a nearby parking garage.

For a while, cops kept the crowd separated with a metal garage gate until they could restore order.

"I think people here have fueled it," family friend Henry Simon, 35, said of the tension.

"The sheik came at the wrong time. It's like spitting on their graves."

Those too sad to be angry had kind words for the deeply religious family, especially young Sylvia, who died a day before her Sweet 16 party.

If robbery were the motive — and reports have been conflicting about whether the family was robbed at all — it would be strange that the victims were all stabbed in the neck, as opposed to any other place. But then there is the possibility that they were struck in the necks for being unbelievers, in accord with Qur'an 47:4. The idea that if it were a robbery, it couldn't be a religiously-motivated killing, is silly. After all, historically Muslim warriors always plundered the victims of jihad.

Note also this interesting detail buried at the end of the story:

Investigators learned that a relative of the victims had helped prosecutors in their case against Lynne Stewart, the lawyer charged with passing messages to followers of her client, blind Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, a convicted terrorist ringleader. But sources close to the case said there is no connection between the relative and the murders.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: armanious; coptic; hatecrime; jihadinamerica
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1 posted on 01/18/2005 8:35:14 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

I see storm clouds rising in the east.....


2 posted on 01/18/2005 8:37:03 AM PST by Ashamed Canadian
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To: conservativecorner

Too much "tolerance" has led the State of New Jersey to civil disorder. They need to stop tolerating criminals.


3 posted on 01/18/2005 8:38:09 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: conservativecorner

I think that there is a lot more to this story and I hope it is told.


4 posted on 01/18/2005 8:38:23 AM PST by BullDog108 (Islamists are Insane! http://bvml.org/webmaster/islam.html)
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To: conservativecorner

Potential Survivor show here?

Make it Muslim vs Muslim and I'll be watching it!

(Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11-2001.)


5 posted on 01/18/2005 8:38:47 AM PST by HMFIC (The Peace Symbol is the FOOTPRINT of the American CHICKEN!)
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To: conservativecorner
The only Muslims who have any business being in America are those who have abandoned that from whence they came in favor of our culture and way of life.

Other than that, get the F out of America! Honestly, we don't want you. No offense.

Multi-culturism in the light of day is nothing more than the de-sovereignization of America!
6 posted on 01/18/2005 8:39:49 AM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: HMFIC

Coptics are nto Muslim, they are orthodox Christian..


7 posted on 01/18/2005 8:40:04 AM PST by N3WBI3
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To: conservativecorner
Look over here, too....CHRISTIANS & MUSLIMS BRAWL
8 posted on 01/18/2005 8:40:59 AM PST by Ready4Freddy (Veni Vidi Velcro)
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To: conservativecorner
"Muslim is the killer," he said over and over before he was dragged from the church by five police officers who hustled him into an unmarked police car and quickly drove away.

Let there be no doubt now that we live in times in which telling the truth gets you hauled away by the police...

9 posted on 01/18/2005 8:41:15 AM PST by Prime Choice (I have to keep my expectations low. I can't fake looking impressed.)
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To: conservativecorner

I find it curious that there's no mention of the fact that one of the daughters was also stabbed through the wrist where she had a tattoo of a cross.


10 posted on 01/18/2005 8:44:14 AM PST by oldleft
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To: BullDog108
they were struck in the necks for being unbelievers, in accord with Qur'an 47:4. The idea that if it were a robbery, it couldn't be a religiously-motivated killing, is silly. After all, historically Muslim warriors always plundered the victims of jihad.

The press and the politicians will likely seek to have this inconvenient reality buried...and quickly. Gotta tow the party line that Islam is a "religion of peace" y'know...

11 posted on 01/18/2005 8:44:54 AM PST by Prime Choice (I have to keep my expectations low. I can't fake looking impressed.)
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To: conservativecorner

This is the kind of crap we see virtually everywhere that Moslems come up against any other relgious faith. As the Moslems gain in numbers and power the violence escalates. Thus in places where Moslems are a majority or near majority people are killed, churches and homes burned and infidels jailed. We need to nip this in the bud right now.


12 posted on 01/18/2005 8:45:14 AM PST by scory
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To: conservativecorner

This is basically the story as the NY Post headlined it, but even as sure as I am that these people were killed by Muslim Terrorists, I'm not sure this take on what happened is accurate.

It is my impression that the "melee" was between Copts, those wanting to make a public "statement" at the funeral, and others wanting to have "just" a funeral.

There is no good reason to misrepresent any happenings related to these murders; the truth speaks loudly and plainly enough.

I think a good protest march is in order, but I also think the funeral was probably not the right place for it.


13 posted on 01/18/2005 8:46:24 AM PST by jocon307 (Ann Coulter was right)
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To: Ashamed Canadian

Yup. Time to tell them to take their murdering ways back to their hell-hole of a desert home.


14 posted on 01/18/2005 8:46:43 AM PST by djf
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To: BullDog108

I'm thinking the same.


15 posted on 01/18/2005 8:59:18 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: odoso

I know several people that have immigrated here for all parts of the globe, just get away from the kind of crap that is forced on them in there Mother countries. Anybody that comes here to build a macrocosm of their restrictive nation here should not be admitted.Moving here for freedom is reason enough. Moving here to establish darkness is not acceptable.


16 posted on 01/18/2005 8:59:24 AM PST by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: Ashamed Canadian; All

Very ominous.

We need to get to the bottom of this.


17 posted on 01/18/2005 9:01:20 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: SJackson; mhking; rdb3

ping


18 posted on 01/18/2005 9:03:55 AM PST by King Prout (Halloween... not just for breakfast anymore.)
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To: oldleft
I think it is time for an armed Christian watchdog organization in our country. So far our government doesn't admit that there is a religious conflict in this story. All over the world the fundamentalist Muslims have become murders of innocent people, as in this story, even our wives and helpless children. Our government has done nothing as the problem begins here at home. Do they expect us to give up our country to the Islamic butchers without a fight? I don't think it's going to work that way.
Remember, you turn the other cheek when you have to shoot left handed.
Lock and load
19 posted on 01/18/2005 9:05:18 AM PST by oldenuff2no (Proud Nam Vet)
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To: conservativecorner

This Coptic Christan family was butchered in their own home. Not to jump to conclusions, but who else has any motive to do this other than Muslim whackos? No robbery took place. The father is cousin to a translator working for the prosecution in the Lynne Stewart case. All just too damn convenient. Needs to be some ass-kicking done in the Muslim community in Jersey City!


20 posted on 01/18/2005 9:10:08 AM PST by Rummyfan
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