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To: Southack

It must be nice to think you couldn't possibly be wrong.

Your comments include these phrases, "Such a bone-headed move would permit", "Liberals would *love*" (insinuating the other person is a liberal), "You would be making a bad gamble", " a pompous CEO.....Don't be that CEO." and "misguided school of appeasement,"

Do you always attempt to belittle the person on the other side of the debate?

For the 'hawk' that you say you are, you don't seem to mind forfeiting our sovereignty to the UN piece by piece. Now if that isn't continual appeasement I don't know what is?

Sustainable development, EPA, ESA, Agenda 21 plan, biospheres, world heritage, new world order, global warming, Kyoto and LOST Treaties are all ideas that originated from the UN.

Do you support all of these? Because if you don't the only way to kill them is for the US to withdraw from the UN and demand they move from American soil.


73 posted on 01/16/2005 4:13:43 PM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: B4Ranch
"For the 'hawk' that you say you are, you don't seem to mind forfeiting our sovereignty to the UN piece by piece. Now if that isn't continual appeasement I don't know what is?"

Pay attention. I'm not forfeiting *any* of our sovereignty. Quite the contrary, I'm mapping out how best to save it.

As I said earlier, IF WITHDRAWING FROM THE UN would kill it, then I'd be all for withdrawing.

But we'd have less success in shrinking the UN's other member states than France has had in shrinking our coalition of nations partnering with us in Iraq.

So your idea to withdraw from the UN wouldn't kill the UN, and that would leave us in the awful geo-political position of having surrendered our UN veto, to boot. We'd be out of the UN, but everyone else would still be in it. Every anti-U.S. and anti-Israeli UN resolution would pass with super-majorities at that point.

Our nominal and marginal allies would be bullied, one at a time, economically, politically, socially, and militarily under one by one they renounced the U.S. and Israel and switched sides or played "neutral."

That's what giving up our UN veto would accomplish.

Now, do I want the UN to be crushed and dismembered and forgotten by history? Yes.

But you haven't shown me a way to do that yet. The U.S. merely leaving it would be like the U.S. leaving NATO...you'd have the EU replace it without blinking an eye.

So until you show me a viable way to kill the UN, we'd best keep our UN veto power.

Unlike you, I don't want to be convinced by wild-eyed liberals to surrender that veto by withdrawing from the UN.

Should such a thing happen, there would be spontaneous parties break out in San Francisco and NYC among the liberal cocktail party elite...all of whom would giggle about how the Right just made a grave mistake.

75 posted on 01/16/2005 4:32:35 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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