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1. Just another product of the educational system for the past 20-30 years. Many Elementary and Middle School teachers major in "education" which means they learn methods of education. It doesn't mean they have the "knowledge" to teach math, science, history, etc.

2. Does certification guarantee anything? Many elite private and boarding schools don't have state-licensed teachers, years ago, many nuns teaching in Catholic Schools didn't have college educations and we turned out fine.

1 posted on 01/15/2005 7:15:36 PM PST by Coleus
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2 posted on 01/15/2005 7:17:02 PM PST by Born Conservative (Those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself." Richard Nixon)
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What? Public school teachers who fail tests? Hypocrisy I tell you! I demand we need to make these tests easier.


/sarcasm


3 posted on 01/15/2005 7:19:01 PM PST by Brian328i
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Why is this a surprise. The teachers today are educated by the same failed education system that is used to teach our children.


4 posted on 01/15/2005 7:19:14 PM PST by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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Our teacher colleges are the pits. Saw in the news yesterday that we are "importing" teachers from other countries such as India & Pakistan. Whatever it takes is okay with me. I know of some real bozos who are teaching kids today and it makes me cringe....


5 posted on 01/15/2005 7:19:47 PM PST by demkicker (I'm Ra th er sick of Dan)
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I think teaching is to a large extent an art more than a science. A person either has the ability or doesn't.

Having said that, I would much rather have a teacher who passed a diffcult certification exam with a high score, and had no formal education, than one who had a Master's degree and failed the exam.

7 posted on 01/15/2005 7:23:42 PM PST by yarddog
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Florida Teacher fail test,

Headline writer/editor fail English.

8 posted on 01/15/2005 7:28:55 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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And here are some of the killer questions.....

1. A student who rereads a paragraph is demonstrating which of the following skills?

A. paraphrasing.
B. using context clues.
C. confirming.
D. predicting.

2. Mrs. Brown has a culturally diverse group of students. Which consideration is most important when selecting literature for shared reading experiences for these students?

A. assessing student reading levels.
B. providing opportunities for exposure to literature that reflects the students' cultures.
C. designing reading activities and language materials in multiple languages.
D. providing many opportunities for oral reading to improve the students' English.

3. The largest single item in the budgets of most state and local governments combined is

A. administration.
B. defense.
C. public welfare.
D. education.

4. For a student to understand how a witness experienced a historical event, the best resource would be a(an)

A. textbook passage.
B. artifact.
C. primary source.
D. encyclopedia.

5. Which of the following body systems provides body structure and internal organ protection?

A. endocrine.
B. skeletal.
C. muscular.
D. nervous.

6. The most important consideration when creating a developmentally appropriate physical education lesson plan is

A. equipment management.
B. safe and secure environment.
C. activity preferences of students.
D. availability and location of facilities.

7. The parts of the atom located outside the nucleus of the atom are the

A. electrons.
B. quarks.
C. neutrons.
D. protons.

8. Identify the system by which a paper document is converted into electronic form and transmitted to another site.

A. word processor.
B. electronic mail.
C. Internet.
D. facsimile.

9. Select the most appropriate unit for measuring the length of a new pencil.

A. millimeters.
B. centimeters.
C. meters.
D. kilometers.

10. Choose the most appropriate word to complete the sentence.

Although down by 21 points at halftime, the football team ______ and won by a field goal.

A. intervened.
B. persisted.
C. relented.

9 posted on 01/15/2005 7:29:58 PM PST by Lizavetta (Modern liberalism: Where everyone must look different but think the same.)
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Their unions a HUGE aside for the moment, let me ask this: why are we continuing to allow school districts -- with their vastly different funding resources, curricula philosophies, underpaid or no-paid elected officials, and so forth -- rather than develop a system much like is provided in other government agencies? In other words, why are teachers employees of the individual, wide-ranging school districts, rather than say, of a state government? Why is there not better oversight, personnel assignment and so forth, so that this inequity cannot exist?

There is much that is broken, but that a child in District A is afforded a public financed education that is inferior to child in District B, well, is this fair? Is it acceptable to treat citizens inequitably?

The students, the taxpayers who fund the education system, the businesses that rely on its graduates for its labor resources, and our society itself, do we not deserve better than the status quo?


10 posted on 01/15/2005 7:30:39 PM PST by Chummy (Liberals -- the other Red meat.)
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Are you serious?


11 posted on 01/15/2005 7:32:51 PM PST by Texasforever (It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chew your butt out all day long.)
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I'm in Ireland, but I will say one thing...being educated by the nuns had it's drawbacks, but those women KNEW their stuff.

A friend of mine is a University graduate with a double major Music and Maths - and a H.Dip in Education. So he's a qualified secondary school/high school teacher.

However, he only does relief work (he's very busy as with gigging as a pianist, has a choir, etc) in schools - but does some relief work in schools. He particularly fills in for teachers on maternity leave. But, it's not always a music and maths teacher that's out. So he can find himself teaching music and perhaps English.

NO offence to my friend, who is a great guy. But he has terrible English. Can't spell for nuts. Uses badly constructed sentences. And yet, he'd be employed to teach English lit. at exam grade for High School.

When he told me this (and he admits that while he's a good teacher - his knowledge of ALL subjects is limited), I lost faith in the education system. And Ireland's education system is pretty good.

But at least when the nuns were teaching us Latin, Science, Maths, English, French etc. you were SURE that they (tough taskmasters that they were) were teaching you.


16 posted on 01/15/2005 7:36:48 PM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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I have a Masters degree and years of experience in college teaching yet I could not be hired to teach in any high school because I lack a "teacher's certificate". It would take me nearly two years of "education" courses to get this certificate none of which would add to my knowledge of any subject I might teach.

I see many preparing teachers in the college where I work spending most of their time taking learning how to teach classes and struggling to get through even the most rudimentary science classes. These graduates will in all likelihood be teaching our kids science.

No wonder our nation lags behind in education.

22 posted on 01/15/2005 7:41:21 PM PST by The Great RJ
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Would love to know the test - articles says nothing about -yet more dumb modern journalism.

What is PI? Name 5 influential Presidents and their general contributions. Write an essay with a Theme, opening sentence, descriptive language and close with an argument for a next paragraph. What are three Amendments to the Constitution?

My knowledge is that more than 50% of the teachers I have met in Texas would fail.
30 posted on 01/15/2005 7:49:49 PM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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Students in Florida's rural outposts and inner cities, those from housing projects and migrant camps, and those from black and Latino families were far more likely to have a teacher who struggled.



That is a true statement. But they don't tell you why. These schools are so bad that they can't get good teachers. The teachers leave just as soon as they can. Clean up the schools and put discipline back in and then the teachers that know what they are doing will come back.


32 posted on 01/15/2005 8:03:35 PM PST by georgiabelle
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Does certification guarantee anything?

If a major is listed with the certificate it means a certain number of courses were taken in that major. 12 units of college math for a math minor, and 16 units for a science major. (In my case -- CA school certificate)

As far as basic skills tests, they are being implemented to weed out teachers who got in when the district needed warm bodies. Frequently a foreign born teacher has weak language skills and fails the test. Many teachers got through math by guess and by gosh, and really need more math before they be allowed to teach it.

Without good skills, a teacher had a big chance of creating a "turn off experience" for a student. The kid thinks "Gee, I have to teach myself this stuff, the teacher does not know it, or is unable to address my questions, this stuff can't be very important or I would not be led by someone who does not know what they are doing."

There are plenty of great teachers who don't pass the test for one reason or another, but these basic tests are not that hard, and most districts allow unlimited retakes. So the teacher who wants to keep the job will find a way to learn the material necessary to pass.

As for the psyc stuff in the teacher credential, most of it is a waste. Teacher certification also covers things like legal liability and how to avoid being sued. Good things IMO for a teacher to know these days.

33 posted on 01/15/2005 8:06:50 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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We have been discussing inexpensive ways to fast track kids through high school to avoid the liberal agenda:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1315730/posts?page=84#84

Unfortunately my thread title was not well thought out, because some parents might instinctively skip over it due to attached stigma, whether real or imagined.


37 posted on 01/15/2005 8:29:27 PM PST by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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Several years ago I read a report on NC teachers that stated 60% of our state's teachers scored less than 900 on the SAT after receiving their degree and teaching certificate. After a near teachers revolt it was determined that the SAT was not a good measurement of their skills and was biased. In my opinion a good model for public education would be The Kincaid School in Houston Texas. 1250 is the average SAT score.
39 posted on 01/15/2005 8:54:00 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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What I thought was funny and sad, was the Governor came to our campus a while back and fielded some questions from the students. An "education" major gave the gov. a 5 minute question laced with liberal/green wording, something really dumb, all the while wearing a balloon hat made for him by some clown outside the building! I laughed my butt off, the gov. kept a straight face somehow.
43 posted on 01/15/2005 10:17:27 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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I ran the bus program for a public school for two years. The grammar the Democrat superintendent used while chewing me out for not leaving the gas pumps on at night so his friends could steal fuel was pathetic.
44 posted on 01/15/2005 10:41:42 PM PST by CrazyIvan (What's the difference between Joseph Goebbels and Michael Moore? About 150 pounds.)
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A teacher can't win-- a true story:
In a thread at this site quite a while back, a FReeper lady proceeded to criticize teachers in general, as though teachers are a huge homogeneous group. Her rant was that teachers were education majors who couldn't pass their certification tests, etc. as in the article above. When I pointed out to her that I had a major in my field [24 college hours] and a degree in that field, that I had gotten my certification seperately, years later [because I stayed home to raise my children], at a Christian university [Baylor], and that I had passed all of my certification tests the first time, can you guess what she said? Betcha you can't. She accused me of bragging! So, either I'm an illiterate idiot posing as an educator or just a braggart. "Qualified," that's what I am. And there are plenty more like me out there. [And, yes, unfortunately, there are too many placeholders out there as well.]
47 posted on 01/16/2005 6:15:17 AM PST by Clara Lou (Hillary Clinton: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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All teachers should pass some kind of test. The one I had to take in OK was extremely easy. In TN, I had to take the NTE which was extremely difficult, but I passed it. College programs need to teach teachers.


52 posted on 01/18/2005 9:30:50 AM PST by thirdgradeteacher
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