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He does have a point. In many ways, the GOP has become a Big Government party just like the Democrats: Federalization of education, creting the largest entitlement program in almost 40 years, amnesty (de facto), Federalization of education, and many other things.

The Republicans become more like the Democrats in practice every day. The emphasis is a little different, but both parties increase the size, scope, cost, and intrusiveness of government. We get all the rhetoric and they get all the action.

The Republican Party came into being to supplant the Whigs. They have done such a good job of it that they have become the Whigs!

The question is, is the GOP reformable from within or is a new political vehicle needed?

While I think it may overstate matters to say that there is NO difference, conservatives seem to lose ground no matter which party wins.

I guess Simon and Garfunkel were on to something when they sang:

"Laugh about it, shout about it, When you've got to choose, Any way you look at it, you lose."

1 posted on 01/15/2005 3:06:15 PM PST by TBP
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I keep getting this mixed up: Is Obama the terrorist and Osama the black guy who can think for himself, or is it vice-versa?


2 posted on 01/15/2005 3:08:00 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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Memo to John Kerry: You lost the election.

Memo to Michael Peroutka: You weren't even a factor in the election.

3 posted on 01/15/2005 3:10:35 PM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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I agree with the guy that both parties are big government parties, that is, they are parties that "mean to govern," rather than parties that would protect our freedom and liberty, but otherwise leave us alone, as our founding fathers intended.

I even agree that Bush is something of a rationalist, which puts him left of center in my book.

But there are important differences between Bush and the Republicans and the Dems. Bush and most Republicans believe in free enterprise, capitalism, lower taxes, patriotism and family values; those things most Dems oppose these days.

I'm not up to speed on the Constitution Pary, but are they not the remnants of the John Birch Society or some other equally discredited organization?


5 posted on 01/15/2005 3:13:33 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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Bloated government ping.


6 posted on 01/15/2005 3:13:56 PM PST by glock rocks ( Miss Kitty, the sun hasn't come up on the day that Marshal Dillon can't take care of himself.)
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And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know, wo wo wo
God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who pray, hey hey hey
Hey hey hey

Yeah, they may have been on to something.

10 posted on 01/15/2005 3:15:46 PM PST by Tarpaulin (Look it up.)
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An oldie, but a goodie...

Fossil:

Fuel:


12 posted on 01/15/2005 3:20:06 PM PST by Libloather (IRAQ - the vote!)
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The story was reporting on a "defiant" speech at the National Press Club in Washington DC by Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.)

Surely Michael intended to write.. "..."verbally defecated" speech at the National Press Club..."

13 posted on 01/15/2005 3:20:48 PM PST by Outraged (Time to put pressure on the party)
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I agree, sort of, with Sen. Kennedy. But, I would state things a little more dynamically. He says: "The last thing this country needs is two Republican parties." I say that considering how much the GOP has come to be like Kennedy's party, the last thing this country needs is ONE Republican Party.
Considering how little the Democratic Party of today resembles the party of John F. Kennedy (the president who, IMHO, Mr. Bush most resembles) - and considering the reforms Bush is proposing for Social Security - the last thing this country needs is one Democratic Party.

One Republican party is a distant second. Not that you would expect the nominee of a conservative third party to discuss that.


15 posted on 01/15/2005 3:27:03 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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19 posted on 01/15/2005 3:47:14 PM PST by Stars&StripesNE (We got FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!)
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Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.


21 posted on 01/15/2005 4:27:26 PM PST by An American In Dairyland
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The question is, is the GOP reformable from within or is a new political vehicle needed?

Cleaning up Democrat voter fraud would, IMHO, improve things a lot. Unfortunately, left-wing Republicans rely upon Democrat voter fraud even more than left-wing Democrats, so I doubt that there will be much push for change from within the system.

If Republicans didn't have to overcome a 10% gap imposed by the media and by voter fraud, they'd be able to actually homor their conservative principles. Of course, there'd be no need for people like McCain and Specter in the party, so they'd be kicked over to the Democrats where they belong. Left-wing Democrats would still be pretty safe within their party, though, since they would continue to "best" represent their base.

23 posted on 01/17/2005 7:08:06 PM PST by supercat (To call the Constitution a 'living document' is to call a moth-infested overcoat a 'living garment'.)
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