Graner gets 10 years for torture

[AVNevis]

Per MSNBC

[foghornleghorn]

"On the political plane, these idiots embarassed the U.S...." I agree completely, although I think perhaps one year would have been more appropriate. But let me ask this: What ever happened to that Muslim soldier who fragged his own HQ in Kuwait and killed several men. Haven't heard. Wonder why.

[milemark]

Most of the prisoners in Abu Ghraib were common criminals in prison for ordinary crimes like theft, rape, and mugging.

Iraq's version of upstanding citizens?

[FreedomCalls]

>>Most of the prisoners in Abu Ghraib were common criminals in prison for ordinary crimes like theft, rape, and mugging.

>Iraq's version of upstanding citizens?

Like we don't have thieves, rapists, and muggers in American prisons?

[antiRepublicrat]

Where will he serve his sentence? Many in prison are radical Muslims ... .

If Leavenworth is anything like the military prison in Mannheim, Germany, there's not much to worry about. It's like basic training, only much harder and with more discipline and none of outdoors fun. Prisoners are still in the military and are expected to conduct themselves properly as soldiers.

No, I wasn't in there, just worked with a guard.

[Paul_Denton]

Whatever people saw in those stupid pictures PALES in comparision to what you will not see, that actually is torture, or softening up of prisoners to get them prepared for the "real" interrogations to follow...

I agree.

[Paul_Denton]

No, his sentence was justified. Think of how much this has hurt the US around the world.

So much of the world hates us already so what have we got to lose. Does it really matter what the euros or islamofascists think of us?

[Paul_Denton]

Do you have any information about what happened to the muslim US Army soldier that threw the grenades into his fellow soldiers tent at the beginning of the war? I never heard any follow up prosecution or sentencing.

Good question.

[Paul_Denton]

What he did was a prank, and it was stupid, but it wasn't that bad.

I agree.

[Paul_Denton]

Graner has a history,in the public sector/private life,of being a sadistic/rogue prison guard and a wife beater.

Why are wife beaters even allowed in the military?

[plain talk]

So what does any of that have to do with Graner? Has he been charged with murder? I'm referring to Graner and the panties and what not. Let's not mix all this stuff up.

[Paul_Denton]

It's a PR war now. It sucks, but we can very easily lose this war on perception alone.

That and the MSM that is so eager to exploit such incidents for their own agendas. Just look at Vietnam. A winnable war that got lost due to propaganda alone.

[Paul_Denton]

Maybe it wasn't flattened liked you want, but what if this was a better way to do it?

Because the people in government are too soft to use measures used in WWII. I don't like civilians getting killed either but if our troops are getting mowed down (thankfully it was not THAT bad in fallujah although US troops did die) than leveling a city would be the only alternative.

[Paul_Denton]

It might not be 'fair', but guess what? We will never get fair treatment. The people who voice moral outrage at the abuses of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo seem to lose their zeal against actual terrorists and murderers. It's not even remotely fair that we're held to such an idealized high standard, and the most gutless, cowardly killers get a pass. But they do. That's reality. We are the good guys. They are the bad guys. We must act accordingly, even though the world will pretend otherwise. It's insane, but there is no other way.

Well said. I agree.

[FreedomCalls]

I'm referring to Graner and the panties and what not. Let's not mix all this stuff up.

No you're not. You clearly said "they" not "he" so you were referring to the whole situation. Unless you want to change what you said.

"I have no problem with what they did over there to those animals. Could care less. It wasn't torture."

[FreedomCalls]

Prisoners are still in the military and are expected to conduct themselves properly as soldiers.

That may be true of Mannheim, but Graner has been sentenced to a dishonorable discharge. He will be a civilian at Leavenworth or where ever it is he goes.

[plain talk]

"They" meant Graner and the female. That's what we're discussing in this article.

[FreedomCalls]

"They" meant Graner and the female. That's what we're discussing in this article.

So do you think that there was severe abuse occuring at Abu Ghraib, some of which could be construed as torture, but Spc. Graner and Spc. Harmon did not commit it?

[plain talk]

I think you are wasting far too much time and bandwidth agonizing over any of this. AMF

[nopardons]

I don't know.

[PhilDragoo]

The New York Times--

It's not fit to a) line a bird cage; b) give a puppy a place to pee; c) wrap fish bones; d) wipe oneself after taking a Kerry.

Still waiting for the Times' Walter Duranty to be stripped of the Pulitzer Prize he was awarded for covering up Stalin's murder of ten million by engineered famine.

Speaking of abu Ghraib: