Graner gets 10 years for torture

[AVNevis]

Per MSNBC

[MEG33]

I am older..I know war is ugly and bloody and brutal..This jerk made pictures of his acts and sent them to friends and family..bringing down the whole condemnation of the world on OUR MILITARY...He broke the rules..His superiors were derelict in their duties..this happened during the middle of the night IIRC. He also enjoyed getting rough.(emails indicate)

No one seemed to be in command..Very loosely run..and he decided to pose inmates, photograph for laughs, have them masturbate? They are all mugging for the camera. ..He disobeyed the order to stay out of his girlfriends room..

He, they hurt our military and our mission and I expectorate in the direction of General Kapinski,too.
Now the hand wringers will put more restrictions than necessary in overreaction to this.

They hurt our military.

[Getsmart64]

No...the MSM hurt your military.....

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Graner gets 10 years for torture

Good call

Hanoi Kerry still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

Harvard Crimson : Kerry refused order to destroy Viet Cong village

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=352185

Published on Wednesday, February 18, 1970
John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for Congress

By SAMUEL Z. GOLDHABER
Crimson Staff Writer

"...One time Kerry was ordered to destroy a Viet Cong village
but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command
simply send in a Psychological Warfare team to be
friend the villagers with food, hospital supplies,
and better educational facilities."

Hanoi Kerry and War Crimes in Vietnam

He was in command of a Swift Boat
and ordered his men to do these things.
Listen to this 1971 audio clip in Kerry's own words.

LONG BEFORE THE '04 Election

Listen Here

http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/Kerry2.mp3


Hanoi Kerry STILL goes unpunished.

Bad Call

U.S. Constitution Amendment XIV

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States,

shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

[Veritas et equitas ad Votum]

I have no idea what was going on in that prison, or what was going through Graner's head.

I've never served a day, and have no idea what the UCMJ says.

But, I fear that this guy is being used as a scapegoat because Teddy Chappaquitick and the NY Times weren't going to rest on this until someone got the book thrown at them.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"bringing down the whole condemnation of the world on OUR MILITARY"

Just like Hanoi Kerry

Why isn't he on trial?

[Getsmart64]

'Tonk...keep it up..I swear I'll do a no no in my drawers if I EVER see Kerry do the perp walk in cuffs....

[TexKat]

I do agree that some are CYAing, but these idiots were stupid enough to photograph their actions and then mail and/or e-mail them to others. What were they thinking, were they thinking. Who did they think would pay if and it did hit the light of day?

[MeekOneGOP]

TEN years! Holy Shiite! One year, okay. But TEN YEARS?!?!?

Bull Shiite. :^(

[MEG33]

THEY would not have had the pictures if it were not for Graner..I hate the bias of the MSM..They exploited the case day after day as did the arab press and world wide press..but Graner had the pictures and sent them to friends and family..Graner got in trouble with the Army, daddy got mad..and then

Col.Hackworth got them and then Mapes..(Good ole Hackworth)
(Hackworth also verified the fake Bush Guard docs were legit as a military consultant to CBS...)


Graner's acts , pictures, distribution and bragging about same caused this..

The MSM is what it is and has been since Vietnam. They are no longer a monopoly, thank heavens.
We try to post the things about Iraq not heard on MSM here.

[MEG33]

It will never happen Tonk..Life isn't always fair..isn't even mostly fair...Justice prevails when we get lucky..

Kerry losing the Presidency was a form of justice..The traitor is delusional if he thinks he has a prayer of running again and winning.

Thank you SwiftBoatVets!

[Getsmart64]

Alright....theoretical question/scenario...The White House and Rummy refused to answer questions about the "abuse"...stayed mum on it...the Army decided to stay mum about it and not do anything....what would have happened?

[MEG33]

An ERUPTION of cries of coverup/more outrage..more calls for impeachment.."Hiding the torture chambers approved by the Pentagon, designed by Rummy under direction of the President..Pull out the troops..!!"

More cries for all the coalition partners to disengage from this shameful coalition.

[beckett]

Graner is a grinning ignoramus, the picture of a sadistic, stupid prison guard. Ten years is about right for the devastating effect his actions had on American prestige and moral credibility around the world in a time of war. He should consider himself lucky that his sentence isn't longer.

For those who don't know, and there appear to be quite a few on this thread, the prisoners Graner abused were not enemy combatants believed to possess important intelligence about the enemy's plans. It was established at trial that, for the most part, they were run of the mill Iraqi criminals who knew nothing of value. Graner simply got his jollies, like a good sadist, by banging them around.

To hell with him.

[Lancey Howard]

This stuff is amazing. Scapegoating these enlisted folks is one thing, but their commanding officers better go on trial real soon. This is a disgrace.

And whoever let photographs escape that place should be hung.

[Getsmart64]

naa...just the MSM crying foul...when the MSM "interrogates" the Prez or any other WH spokesman...whom says they HAVE to talk to them???...the press is just reacting from what the WH sez and does.....

[MEG33]

I used to say if the media in WW2 were anything like it is today..we would have surrendered by '43..