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Graner gets 10 years for torture

Posted on 01/15/2005 2:32:03 PM PST by AVNevis

Per MSNBC


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To: Lijahsbubbe
Some history on Graner
141 posted on 01/15/2005 4:26:50 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: CheneyChick
Wrong. He is a disgrace to the rest of us in uniform and put a big black eye on the military. Swift justice in dealing with this loser was the best thing that could happen.

Exactly.

It might not be 'fair', but guess what? We will never get fair treatment. The people who voice moral outrage at the abuses of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo seem to lose their zeal against actual terrorists and murderers. It's not even remotely fair that we're held to such an idealized high standard, and the most gutless, cowardly killers get a pass.

But they do.

That's reality. We are the good guys. They are the bad guys. We must act accordingly, even though the world will pretend otherwise. It's insane, but there is no other way.

142 posted on 01/15/2005 4:26:55 PM PST by Steel Wolf (Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. Mark it zero, Dude.)
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To: KiloLima
I never said FReepers were "right wing extremists." I simply said thats what people from outside the site would think if they just happened to stumble upon a post calling for the arrest of John Kerry for treason.
143 posted on 01/15/2005 4:26:59 PM PST by AVNevis (You are never too young to stand up for America)
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To: Age of Reason
What kind of message would it send to the people of Iraq if he got a slap on the wrist instead?

And what kind of message are the people of Iraq sending to the U.S./Coalition countries in their punishment of Zarqawi? Oh, wait, they can't find him or something. We can only wait and hope . . . nice people that we are.

144 posted on 01/15/2005 4:27:33 PM PST by KiloLima (Amnesty is to "Guest Worker Program" as Terrorist is to "Insurgent.")
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To: nopardons

Sorry...I've been reading your posts...me thinks you would be better suited for the DU crowd...sorry....


145 posted on 01/15/2005 4:29:04 PM PST by Getsmart64 (LANTIRN - Designed to kill, maim, and destroy ....America's enemies...)
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To: AntiGuv
Graner was a prison guard in civilian life. I think in Maryland or Pennsylvania (somewhere thereabouts).


Thanks... I'd read that somewhere on another thread but didn't know if it was accurate. I think it was stated he was an ex-prison guard after being charged or released due to maltreatment of inmates.... That I don't to be true either.

Does anyone know if the 10 years is consecutive type sentence or concurrent type sentence or does the military have that type sentencing. He was eligible for some 15 years or so if the maximum was handed down on each count. I heard some so called expert on tv state that the sentences for each count ranged in maximum amounts from up to one year on some, up three years and up to five years on others .
146 posted on 01/15/2005 4:29:20 PM PST by deport (Law of Probability Dispersal: Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
You don't know ANYTHING at all about the rages he was convicted of...just admit it;you'll feel better

What is the sentence for FRATERNIZING WITH A LOWER RANK AND KNOCKING HER UP?

What is the sentence for RUNNING WHAT AMOUNTED TO PIMPING a FELLOW MILITARY PERSON TO YOUR PALS?

What is the sentence for TAKING PORN PICTURES OF YOUR COMRADES IN ARMS AND POSTING THEM?

What is the sentence for PERJURY?

What is the sentence for MISTREATING PRISONERS IN YOUR CARE...as in punching them for no reason at all?

What is the sentence for REPEATEDLY IGNORING THE ORDERS GIVEN ONE,BY ONE'S SUPERIOR OFFICERS?

Ten years for those crimes,is light.

147 posted on 01/15/2005 4:29:24 PM PST by nopardons
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To: AVNevis

Speaking of all of this, whatever happened to the soldier in the 101st Airborne who threw the grenades in the tents of his sleeping superiors killing his captain and injuring a few others in Kuwait before the war got started. I never hear about him or if he has even been brought to trial. You'd think the soldiers at Abu-Ghraib were the only courtmartials going on.


148 posted on 01/15/2005 4:29:26 PM PST by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: boomop1

He hurt our military, he sent the pictures to friends and family by email for heavens sake..His fun and games have cost us plenty..Pictures don't lie
He gave ammunition to every lefty, anti American, Eurotwit and mullah to slam our military..
I despise what he did....HE HURT OUR MILITARY


149 posted on 01/15/2005 4:29:45 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Getsmart64
You belong on DU...or at the least FU or LP.

And personally attacking me,because of your own abject stupidity,proves that point in spades...newbie.

150 posted on 01/15/2005 4:31:26 PM PST by nopardons
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To: AVNevis

And based upon what you said, you are a Liberal. Frankly, your views are a little irrelevant.


151 posted on 01/15/2005 4:33:01 PM PST by KiloLima (Amnesty is to "Guest Worker Program" as Terrorist is to "Insurgent.")
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To: nopardons

Personally, I wouldn't have shed a tear if he got fifty years.

Graner gave militant Islam a great victory in the war of "hearts and minds."

Beyond simply being disgusting, his actions damaged our nation in the eyes of the rest of the world.

Let him rot in a cell.


152 posted on 01/15/2005 4:33:01 PM PST by rommy
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To: deport

Allow me to try to answer why Kerry was brought into this thread---I think I was the first to mention him.

The reason I did is because the direction that the dems like Kerry are the ones that are making the prison deal a bigger problem for our troops than even the Iraqi people are!!

They are making it like Bush, Rummy and Gonzales all told Graner and Lyndie England to do this---

Remember Kerry's testimony to congress when he was bad-mouthing the war and the troops in Vietnam--I do believe he used a phrase like the soldiers were "dying for a big nothing", well his and other dems characterization of AB is just like calling all of the troops in Vietnam baby-killers.


153 posted on 01/15/2005 4:33:02 PM PST by Txsleuth (Proud to be a Texan)
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To: AVNevis

Not to diminish this particular case, but we have a certain U.S. Senator and former Presidential candidate currently running free across the Middle East and Europe undermining our President's Foreign Policy that has admitted before a Congressional committee of committing atrocities that were far worse than naked human pyramids and panty head shots.


154 posted on 01/15/2005 4:33:14 PM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: deport
He was an abusive prison guard prior to being in Iraq. He was also an abusive husband/ex-husband,who has restraining orders against him.These are the facts.
155 posted on 01/15/2005 4:33:56 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Dood...yes...sorry..but dood...you have NO clue what happened in that prison...you only have what the press tells you....hmm...wonder if the islamofacists pig threw shite on the guard...or tried to pee on him..or spit on him...hmm...only the Shadow knows....


156 posted on 01/15/2005 4:34:19 PM PST by Getsmart64 (LANTIRN - Designed to kill, maim, and destroy ....America's enemies...)
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To: Getsmart64
No...your 1st amendment free press gave the islamofacists the "victory"...

No, the people that did wrong and took pictures gave the islamofascists the victory.

Personal responsibility, folks. These guys did wrong, and foolishly keep evidence of it. Now they're busted, and paying for it. We're it not for the fact that these photos were so politically explosive and damaging, the case would barely be worth a laugh.

As it is, these prison guards hurt the war effort, embarrassed the Army, and made a joke of America's reputation. Now they're going to be punished for it, if for nothing else than to serve as an example for anyone else doing wrong and taking pictures.

157 posted on 01/15/2005 4:34:24 PM PST by Steel Wolf (Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. Mark it zero, Dude.)
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To: Txsleuth; All

Read the lenghty article at post #141 and one can understand why Graner deserves 10 years. He is a danger to society IMHO.


158 posted on 01/15/2005 4:34:26 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: rommy

You are 100% correct...CONGRATULATIONS! :-)


159 posted on 01/15/2005 4:34:51 PM PST by nopardons
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To: AVNevis

"I simply said thats what people from outside the site would think if they just happened to stumble upon a post calling for the arrest of John Kerry for treason."

Quit worrying about what "they think"

Worry about how the US Constitution,
14th Amendment Section 3
is upheld.

EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

Full details on these url's!

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com


160 posted on 01/15/2005 4:35:26 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (US Senate AND Main Stream Right Wing Media READ US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3)
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