[DocRock]

"There is nothing in the context that necessitate the words in article eleven that "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."

I may be mistaken, but I thought the peace treaty you reference was to secure the release of prisoners, (and it worked).


This is a Christian Nation and the opening statement of our first official governing document makes it crystal clear that this nation is founded on Christian beliefs and we have only become a great nation because we mix politics and religion.


The Mayflower Compact,
(November 1620) IN The Name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King Defender of the Faith, &c. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honor of our King and Country a Voyage to plant the first colony in the northern Parts of Virginia; Do by these Presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof do enact, constitute, and frame such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions, and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general Good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due Submission and Obedience. In WITNESS whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord King James of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth and of Scotland, the fifty fourth. Anno Domini, 1620.

Churches should be interested in winning souls for Christ but also preserving the political environment that many of our forefathers fought and died for so that our religious institutions could flourish.

[Quix]

Good job.

You are aware, I assume, that these naysayers have no willingness and perhaps little capacity to be influenced by historical facts . . . and too often, little by logical facts.

[jackbob]

I have seen nothing recorded about the situation that necessitated the first sentence of Article eleven, of the twelve article treaty. If you have, please state what it was and explain.

Presenting the legal document establishing a subordinate colony by a bunch of self proclaimed loyal subjects of a European King does not qualify as a founding document of a sovereign nation. You need to come forward 156 years for that.

What's interesting here, is that when it was finally done, it was done mostly by good honest Christian men who were not about to dirty their God with the politics of a nation. Shame that this is not the case today.