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Bush's Remarks on Religion Offends Atheists
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 1/14/05 | Melanie Hunter

Posted on 01/14/2005 3:32:57 PM PST by kattracks

(CNSNews.com) - An atheist group is criticizing President Bush for saying he can't see how one can be president without a relationship with the Lord. Bush's comments were "divisive," they say, and an insult to those who don't believe in religious creeds or a deity.

Bush's interview with the Washington Times "demonstrates clearly that he does not respect the diversity of the country, and the fact that nonbelievers and so-called 'seculars' are one of the fastest growing segments of American society," said Ellen Johnson, president of American Atheists.

"He just doesn't get it," said Johnson, "and he seems to ignore the fact that in our Constitution we do not have a religious test for those seeking public office."

When Washington Times' editor-in-chief Wesley Pruden asked him about the role of prayer in next week's inauguration and what he thinks is the proper role of his personal faith in the public arena, Bush said: "First of all, I will have my hand on the Bible. I read the article today, and I don't - it's interesting, I don't think faith is under attack.

"I think there are some who worry about a president who is faith-based, a person who openly admits that I accept the prayers of the people, trying to impose my will on others. I fully understand that the job of the president is and must always be protecting the great right of people to worship or not worship as they see fit," Bush said.

"That's what distinguishes us from the Taliban. The greatest freedom we have - or one of the greatest freedoms - is the right to worship the way you see fit. And on the other hand, I don't see how you can be president - at least from my perspective, how you can be president, without a - without a relationship with the Lord," he added.

Johnson was also offended by Bush's claim that the difference between America and the former Taliban regime in Afghanistan was simply "the right to worship the way you see fit."

"The real distinction between American and governments like the Taliban is that at least on paper, we have a Constitutional commitment to separation of government and religion," she said. "We have freedom of and freedom from religion."

Policies like the president's faith-based initiative or efforts to keep the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance show that Bush is dedicated to using the power of the state to advance religion, argued Dave Silverman, communications director for American Atheists.

"He wants all Americans, including over 30 million non-religious citizens, to subsidize religion-based social programs, and he wants to protect ceremonial religious rituals like the post-1954 Pledge of Allegiance," said Silverman.

Silverman accused Bush of trying to turn the government into a "religion bully."

"President Bush goes far beyond keeping his faith to himself. He's trying to turn our government into a 'religion bully' where the state enforces religious belief and religious correctness. That's un-American," he concluded.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americanatheists; unamerican; undergod
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To: mombonn

AMEN!


101 posted on 01/15/2005 7:04:19 AM PST by tob2 (Old Fossil and Proud of It!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

You said atheists tended to be neurotic, stupid et al. As an atheist, I naturally refute anything of the sort. Newdow isn't a nutbar because he's an atheist. He's a nutbar who happens to be an atheist.


102 posted on 01/15/2005 7:04:52 AM PST by Melas
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To: navygal

Me too!


103 posted on 01/15/2005 7:07:08 AM PST by tob2 (Old Fossil and Proud of It!)
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To: Cultural Jihad
I believe in democracy as it's practiced in this republic, and yes indeed, I'm an atheist. Please, stick to telling folks what you believe. I'll take you as an authority on your own beliefs.

When you arrogantly set yourself up as a greater expert on what *I* believe, than I myself am, you just look like a colossal fool. I'm pretty damned sure I have a better handle on what I believe than you do.

104 posted on 01/15/2005 7:08:05 AM PST by Melas
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To: Melas

You are free to try to come up with a convincing argument for human rights. Other atheists have tried, and failed.


105 posted on 01/15/2005 7:13:35 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: kattracks
Tell you what Silverman. I won't put my Nativity on your front lawn - if you just shut up and swim with the rest of us. Talk about the tyranny of the minority...
106 posted on 01/15/2005 7:17:58 AM PST by GunnyB (Once a Marine, Always a Marine)
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To: Cultural Jihad

That's where you're making your biggest mistake. I don't have to come up with an argument for human rights, I only have to recognize them. I don't have to understand how gravity works to break a hip if I fall down the stairs.


107 posted on 01/15/2005 7:27:50 AM PST by Melas
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To: kattracks
Tough...move to Venezeula...Hugo needs you.
108 posted on 01/15/2005 7:30:52 AM PST by pointsal
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To: kattracks
"He just doesn't get it," said Johnson

Actually, with the President's resounding victory, I would suggest these people don't 'get it'.

Which is good, since imprisoning themselves in their own ignorance bodes well for future elections.

109 posted on 01/15/2005 7:38:11 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (Unite)
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To: Melas
And yet, you are unable to separate the fact that you were raised in a theist society which honors human life, and where you learned the 10 Commandments, and the Preamble to the DOI, and have seen ethical behaviors instituted by our theistic society on many levels. Indeed, you needn't explain them since you cannot or won't; just recognize them and adhere to them as you undoubtedly do.
110 posted on 01/15/2005 7:38:13 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: kattracks

Atheists that are offended by references to God are hilarious as they are hypocrites.

Atheists dont believe in God and demand His mention be removed from all public forums.

However, many atheists dont beleive in Santa Clause either...are they demanding the same treatment for old Saint Nick?


111 posted on 01/15/2005 7:47:15 AM PST by cougar_mccxxi
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To: Melas

42 years here--Thank God.


112 posted on 01/15/2005 7:48:03 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Melas; jackbob

"You said atheists tended to be neurotic, stupid et al."

Neurotic and stupid are different things. I did NOT say you are stupid. Read my frickin' post!

As for neurotic, why else would you be carrying on this desperate defense of your "normality" depsite lack of faith in things unseen? It isn't worth the candle, really.

But you have some kind of abnormal need to defend yourself against an accusation I didn't even make.

That's neurotic. Live with it. It isn't fatal.


113 posted on 01/15/2005 7:55:37 AM PST by hinckley buzzard (the smirking face of a flesh-eating virus)
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To: Melas
No atheist can possibly be "offended" over prayer or the mention of God, since they dont believe in His existence. It be like someone like the rest of us taking offense to mention of the Easter Bunny.

Next being a atheist is a stupid bet, if you die and your wrong, its straight to Hell with you, how dumb is risking that?
114 posted on 01/15/2005 8:38:22 AM PST by aspiring.hillbilly
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To: aspiring.hillbilly
Next being a atheist is a stupid bet, if you die and your wrong, its straight to Hell with you, how dumb is risking that?

Ah, Pascal's wager. It's bad logic my friend.

115 posted on 01/15/2005 9:11:04 AM PST by Melas
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To: carlr; All

I apologize for that reply; it was uncalled for on FR.


116 posted on 01/15/2005 9:13:33 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: 7.62 x 51mm; All

My apologies to all, for this post; it was uncalled for.


117 posted on 01/15/2005 9:17:35 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: kattracks
"I think there are some who worry about a president who is faith-based, a person who
openly admits that I accept the prayers of the people, trying to impose my will
on others. I fully understand that the job of the president is and must always
be protecting the great right of people to worship or not worship as they
see fit
," Bush said.


Apparently some atheists can't tolerate a President who understands and respects
"Diversity" (of opinion/faith).
118 posted on 01/15/2005 9:29:20 AM PST by VOA
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To: kattracks

Worried again about how their kids' impressionable young minds will get confused. Why do so many of these cry-baby atheists have such dumb children?


119 posted on 01/15/2005 9:32:46 AM PST by cookcounty (-It's THE WHITE HOUSE, not THE WAFFLE HOUSE.)
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To: AmishDude

>I've never encountered anyone who proselytizes as much as some atheists.<

Well, they've got a big job on their hands, because they are working for "the other guy".


120 posted on 01/15/2005 9:39:56 AM PST by Paperdoll
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