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F***ing with Freepers: Sex catapults me to the big time
Creative Loafing (Atlanta) ^ | 1/13/05 | CLIFF BOSTOCK

Posted on 01/14/2005 7:57:27 AM PST by madprof98

Woo hoo! I've made the big time. Last month, the website Free Republic featured a thread about my Nov. 18 column, "Queers Who Don't Act Right." You probably don't know much about Free Republic unless you are a right-wing lunatic. Free Republic is so far right that wing-nut gay muckraker Matt Drudge and Lucianne Goldberg, one of the architects of the Clinton-Monica Lewinsky brouhaha, both left the site in 1999 because it was too extreme, even for them.

In the years since, the site has become the contemporary version of a marathon meeting of the old John Birch Society and the KKK. Most recently, Free Republic was in the news when John Corsi, one of the Swift Boat Veterans who authored a book attacking John Kerry, turned out to post embarrassingly racist messages there. (Of course, he argued his racist insults were all "a joke." Talk about your Clintonian rhetoric.) The site also was in the news recently because someone correctly posted that Dan Rather had relied on phony documents to impute President Bush's National Guard service.

Free Republic is so extreme that it's a blast to read. Don't bother to explore the site with the idea of posting an alternative perspective or to correct facts. Your post will simply be deleted, despite its owner's celebration of freedom of speech. The site has no hesitation in reprinting copyrighted material, like my column, even though the Washington Post and Los Angeles Times both successfully sued to stop such theft. In other words, as is generally true of the lunatic far right, the truth, free speech and the law only matter when they support their point of view.

Of course, Freepers, as the creepy wing-nuts on the site are called, were not alone in being outraged by my column. I received quite a lot of mail, mainly from other gay people, questioning my argument that LA Fitness at Ansley Mall overreacted when it closed its sauna because of some occasional sex and reopened it with a new picture window overlooking the locker room. As an update, I might add that the window has effectively eliminated unseen sexual interactions inside the sauna and made room for another, more open form of sex between people on either side of the window: exhibitionism and voyeurism.

Most of my correspondents argued that the occasional discovery of sex in the sauna merited involvement by the police and the health department, reconstruction of the sauna and a report by one of the local TV stations. And, as usual, they concluded that because I called that overreacting, I must favor sex in public spaces. No matter that I said I find the behavior annoying. To be righteous, I must find it -- what? -- criminally actionable.

I wasn't surprised by the reaction. Sex troubles people more than anything. That's why Clinton was impeached for lying about a blowjob, while Bush was re-elected despite lying about a war that has killed thousands. Gay people's oppression is the result of their sex lives, so it's not surprising that they are hypersensitive to anything that might add to the picture of deviance. But it has become obvious that the very effort to make all deviance disappear and to assimilate -- to marry, for example -- increases prejudice.

The Freepers, of course, took outrage over my column to dizzy heights, fabricating arguments I did not make. This began with the man who posted it, "madpro98." He said that I dismissed "all sexual conventions, including common decency, as so much homophobia." Actually, I wrote no such thing. Then, of course, the Freepers concluded that the case of LA Fitness means every gay man is a sauna whore. For example, "Sender" writes: "Does anyone else think it's strange that gay men often have sex in a public toilet stall? ... Even if we had unisex public restrooms, somehow I can't imagine a man and a woman eyeing one another while washing their hands, then just jumping in the stall for a go."

The writer obviously has never been to Buckhead on a Saturday night. But what cracks me up is that the Freepers are so anxious to bash someone like me that they don't even realize when they are supporting a contrary argument. For example, "buffyt" quoted my statement that I don't like "stumbling upon any sex scene to which I have not been invited." Then she riffed obsessively about heterosexual couples at Mardi Gras "coupling all over the place" while the police ignore them. Exactly. Heterosexuals spoil the view with public sexual interactions every bit as much as homosexuals, arguably more, when they can find a place to do it. Nobody followed up on that post, of course.

I'm not going to quote the mind-boggling illogics and endless sophomoric fag-bashing (despite arguing they aren't homophobic). But I will thank "Jack Black," who wrote: "I think this was very well written. He is writing for the audience of radical homosexuals as one, so I have trouble twisting my thoughts enough to get to his point of view, but I still think the writing is good." Kiss me, dude!

Cliff Bostock holds a Ph.D. in depth psychology. Write him at cliff.bostock@ creativeloafing.com.


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Comment #401 Removed by Moderator

To: Petronski
When I grow up, I want to be libeled as an uber-cryptofascist.

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LOL!

402 posted on 01/14/2005 12:01:11 PM PST by trisham
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To: RebelBanker
Depth psychology sounds like a nice name for a rectal exam.
403 posted on 01/14/2005 12:02:47 PM PST by AirForceMom (They are scarmabling out of the woodwork.....call the paver.)
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To: AirForceMom

I just plowed through this thread (people were posting faster than my system could update) and some quick folks came up with what it claims to be. Personally, I think your definition makes more sense than the stuff from the school that granted this fruit loop a degree in it.


404 posted on 01/14/2005 12:17:35 PM PST by RebelBanker (To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!)
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To: OPS4
I will wear my 82nd Screaming Eagles Patch next to my Christian basketball, Letter patch, and that will say enough. Ops4 God Bless America!

Well said! :^D

405 posted on 01/14/2005 12:26:46 PM PST by dfwright
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To: Kevin OMalley
Thanks for your supportive post. This is exactly what I was talking about. I don't see where this guy (whose article was the topic of this thread) is coming from when he's talking about how "evil" freerepublic is. I guess what it comes down to is that, you get as much respect as you give, especially in a forum that is as mature as this one.

***As a social conservative, I would like to lay down a factual challenge to you. Please read the book, "Jesus, God Ghost or Guru?" by Quentin Hyde, or if you can't find it, a lesser read would be "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. Only deal with the facts you find, ignore any and all religious mumbo jumbo, there won't be much of that.

I would love to oblige at some point, but my reading list is always chock-full right after the holidays, since I never say I want anything and people know I like books. I think I've got about 10-12 books in my queue right now, plus a couple bookstore gift cards. I'll keep them in mind though.

406 posted on 01/14/2005 12:28:56 PM PST by munchtipq
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To: Mr. Mojo
The flame wars involving posters with "alternate perspectives" are legendary.

You didn't get the memo? Here is the official list of FReeper stances:

Flame wars and alternative perspective? Not here on FR

</pointed exaggeration>

407 posted on 01/14/2005 12:29:17 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lefty Suicide Hotline: 1-800-BUSH-WON (thanks PJ-Comix!))
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To: OPS4

You mean the 101st, right? Don't insult the 82nd by associating them with the Screaming Chickens. ;-)


408 posted on 01/14/2005 12:30:04 PM PST by AQGeiger (RKBA Royal Enumerator of the Leguminous Stockpile, Wielder of the Enchanted Endoscope of Justice.)
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To: Thebaddog

It is not psychotherapy; it is soulwork.

It is also 100% feelgood, "I am special", BS


410 posted on 01/14/2005 12:31:29 PM PST by Big Digger (I)
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To: ExPatBack

Cliff? Cliff Bostock? Is that you?

How can you know how much you love this site if you have a sign-up date of January 15?


411 posted on 01/14/2005 12:32:34 PM PST by AQGeiger (RKBA Royal Enumerator of the Leguminous Stockpile, Wielder of the Enchanted Endoscope of Justice.)
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To: AQGeiger

101st and 82nd at Mannhiem road teamed up under term 101st psyc. battllion at Ohare field Chicao for Nam duty, for the purpose, psyops. Special patches for special forces. I love both designations.
OPS4 God BLess America!


412 posted on 01/14/2005 12:33:07 PM PST by OPS4 (worth repeating)
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To: OPS4

Chicago, mis print. Sorry
Ops4


413 posted on 01/14/2005 12:33:40 PM PST by OPS4 (worth repeating)
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To: TXnMA

What is depth psychology? Why, depth psychology is depth psychology. Thanks , that clears it up for me.


414 posted on 01/14/2005 12:34:31 PM PST by Big Digger (I)
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To: ExPatBack; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; KangarooJacqui; The Scourge of Yazid; ...

Y'all....check out this feeb.

It's his very first post, and he whines about our "extreme" threads and how the folks on FR launch personal attacks.


415 posted on 01/14/2005 12:35:22 PM PST by AQGeiger (RKBA Royal Enumerator of the Leguminous Stockpile, Wielder of the Enchanted Endoscope of Justice.)
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To: madprof98; MeekOneGOP


Even the littlest kitties are laughing at this screed! Thanks, madprof98!
416 posted on 01/14/2005 12:35:36 PM PST by dr_pat (it's only sarcasm if you don't read too carefully...)
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To: King Prout; Trueblackman; mhking; Warrior Nurse; rdb3; cyborg
wow... did you know that you are a "wing-nut" and a member of the KKK and the John Birch Society?

I was shocked, SHOCKED, to discover that fact about myself and my FRiends here.

I mean, it must be fact: it was in Creative Loafing.

Yeah, we're all from the "dark chapter"...

417 posted on 01/14/2005 12:36:26 PM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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To: ExPatBack
There's a way to disagree with homosexuality without acting like redneck children in a trailer park playground! That sounds bigoted to me.
418 posted on 01/14/2005 12:36:59 PM PST by AirForceMom (They are scarmabling out of the woodwork.....call the paver.)
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To: ExPatBack

Nice whine.
Welcome to FR.

INteresting first post.
So, you came here from Bostock's site because of his article, right?


419 posted on 01/14/2005 12:37:16 PM PST by Darksheare (Tales from the Freeper Foxhole presents: Darksheare's Coffee vs Midnight Troll)
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To: AQGeiger

Just checked himout.
Willing to bet he came here due to Bostock's *cough* article.


420 posted on 01/14/2005 12:37:50 PM PST by Darksheare (Tales from the Freeper Foxhole presents: Darksheare's Coffee vs Midnight Troll)
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