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1 posted on 01/13/2005 8:00:34 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I have to disagree. I've known a few guys in grade school who were fruity even back then. They then grew up to be full blown homos (no pun intended, well,,,,maybe). You could pick em out even back then.


2 posted on 01/13/2005 8:03:59 AM PST by mlbford2 ("Never wrestle with a pig; you can't win, you just get filthy, and the pig loves it...")
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To: All; scripter; EdReform; ArGee; ItsOurTimeNow; little jeremiah

I imagine that many have heard the phrase "why would someone choose to be gay...." many times. I know that I have heard it countless times. Just thought that I would post a thread which deals with this.

For whomever is interested, here's the link to the scientific studies which show that gays aren't "born that way."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts


3 posted on 01/13/2005 8:04:19 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

How, and when did the term gay start being applied to homosexuals?
Every homosexual that I personally know is anything but gay. Most are downright miserable.


4 posted on 01/13/2005 8:04:43 AM PST by Spruce
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

For the same reason some choose to have sex with sheep.


6 posted on 01/13/2005 8:08:22 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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So, you can see that the argument of "Why would someone choose to be gay in a world where they will face grief and opposition over their sexual orientation", doesn't hold water, and neither does the lie of gays being "born that way."

I believe Hollyweird is making it seem "cool" to be a homosexual. It's the "in" thing. But I'm out.


7 posted on 01/13/2005 8:09:03 AM PST by rdb3 (Real men don't whine. It's 2005 and everyone's gonna feel it this year.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Rather than be seen as failures and freaks in a normal society, they choose to become part of a sub-culture that celebrates freaks.


8 posted on 01/13/2005 8:10:27 AM PST by JustRight
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I was it was a poll about if you agree with the war or not, this is too vauge, but I voted anyway.


9 posted on 01/13/2005 8:10:53 AM PST by Sovek (It is not the end, it is not the beginning, perhaps it is the end of the beginning)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Good argument, but still has holes--like the guy who pointed out that you can spot "them" at a young age.


10 posted on 01/13/2005 8:11:01 AM PST by jcb8199
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Why Would Someone Choose To Be Gay? Maybe For The Same Reason Some Choose To Change Their Religion?

For the better singles mixers on Wednesday nights????

Mazel Tov!

11 posted on 01/13/2005 8:11:44 AM PST by HitmanLV (HitmanNY has a brand new Blog!! Please Visit! - http://www.goldust.com/weblog -)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Really?
You think heterosexuality was a choice you made?

Interesting.....for me it just came naturally.

How old were you when you realized that you wanted to be straight, and that the gay lifestyle had no appeal to you?
Did you have your doubts, as no doubt many adult Republicans had their teen flirtations with leftist ideals?

Do you think you could have been dissauded from your eventual choice by persuasive arguments, perhaps even by an offer of cash or preferment?
Are you sure you're set in your ways now, or is it still a matter of choice, akin to one's chosen career or pastime?

For me, I think I was born straight, but maybe I'm ust a hardwired and inflexible freak.


12 posted on 01/13/2005 8:12:12 AM PST by johnmilken
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I think some do choose it, its hard to know I guess.

Maybe they just like it better that way, who knows

13 posted on 01/13/2005 8:12:41 AM PST by GeronL (I am NOT the real bin Laden)
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Sorry, but I think your assessment is overly simplistic. There is some real truth in the "why would I choose to be this way" argument.

The problem is that sexual preferences are not really a rational choice, and the thing about homosexuality is that it is a disordered sexuality.

The various factors you posted, which correlate homosexuality with other factors, make it clear that there is a significant psychological component to it. It's simply not like changing computers, or changing from a Windows machine to Linux or Mac.

Trying, as you have, to essentially fob it off as a "market choice" is a loser from the get-go. There are deep-seated psychological issues at work here, and it's ridiculous to pretend that they don't exist.

The thing you need to address is not the disorder itself, but rather what has resulted from the attempt to make people believe that homosexual behavior is a normal, acceptable expression of sexuality. It is quite clearly not that. The "gay lobby" is part -- perhaps the leading element -- of the "no big deal" school of sexual thought that pervades, and is destroying, popular culture.

If you want to get worked up about something, get worked up about that.

21 posted on 01/13/2005 8:17:16 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

As an ex-NYer I knew some guys who initially did it for the $ and then stayed that way.

I also know some gals who were intrigued into it.

And yes there are those who right out of the bag are IT!


22 posted on 01/13/2005 8:18:03 AM PST by funkywbr
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Reasons vary. I know of two first-hand accounts. One was honestly for the social acceptance. Weird but you would have to know the circumstances. She was encouraged to do it and received social approval from the lesbian group and from her counselors. Sad.

The other one has gone back and forth just looking for a social group to belong to.

Oh, part of both stories too was rebellion. Why does a teen choose to smoke or take drugs or skip school and become a dope? The urge to rebel against authority is strong during the teenage years. Parents can mess up without even meaning to.

27 posted on 01/13/2005 8:25:26 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Just ask Anne Hesche.


28 posted on 01/13/2005 8:26:42 AM PST by shekkian
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Whether a person is born homosexual or not..it still manifests it self in a behavior..all behaviors can be changed and or controlled. So I would ask why would anyone one want to behave as a homosexual?


29 posted on 01/13/2005 8:26:51 AM PST by roylene
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Nobody "chooses" to be gay. I doubt it is genetic. Most gays I have known simply had poor childhood identification with their fathers or adult males in general and developed a "male deficit" or yearning that became a lifeling quest.

That is not to say that homosexual acts should be excused or accepted as appropriate behavior. One is still responsible for controlling his actions and desires. A child molester's drive to molest is no less real nor is it a matter of choice, but society holds him responsible for failing to contain it.


33 posted on 01/13/2005 8:29:42 AM PST by Elpasser
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Sorry, but I disagree with most everything here. I don't think there is any choice involved in same-sex attraction. Some people are oriented toward their own sex to a degree that for all intents and purposes is inborn, whether actually from genetics or upbringing or a combination of both.

The behavior, though, and the building of a lifestyle around the behavior, is completely voluntary. Acting upon the same-sex attraction is the choice; other options include a life of chastity or opposite-sex marriage. It's an important distinction.

34 posted on 01/13/2005 8:30:50 AM PST by TenaciousZ
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What crap. As if changing religions has the same moral and societal stigma as being gay. Not to mention, many people change religions because they feel passionately that they have been lead in that direction by God. I doubt anyone who is gay feels the same divine zeal to have changed from straight to gay. This is at best tortured logic. I don't agree that God creates people to be gay (i.e. that they're "born that way). But I do believe there are psychological factors that pre-dispose people to that which are triggered in pre-pubesence by various factors. You do not choose to be gay any more than you choose to be straight.


35 posted on 01/13/2005 8:31:18 AM PST by MikeA
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One more thing. For women/girls anyway, social pressure often trumps sexual desire. They need those emotional needs met somehow. Often, they will do awful things in the name of love or belonging.

For guys it is more about the sex without commitment I think. Absent a strong moral foundation, they simply seek to gratify themselves any way they can. They are held back by social norms too, but it is more of a restraint than a motivating factor.

Young people are more easily led astray than most parents will admit. They grow up around strangers so often and they simply crave approval. Be careful about who your babysisters are, parents. Pay attention to what's being taught in school. Listen to and know your child's social group. BE AWARE. More than that, be home as much as possible and give your child a strong faith foundation.

38 posted on 01/13/2005 8:31:43 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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