Posted on 01/13/2005 8:00:33 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Gay activists and their supporters often say, "Why would someone choose to be gay?" But why would someone want to change political parties? Why would someone want to change their religion? Maybe it's just what they feel like they need to do, or be.
Gay activists and their supporters often resort to using this phrase or one similar to it. They state: Why would someone choose to be gay in a world where they will face grief and opposition over their sexual orientation?
To which I respond: Why would a Muslim choose to convert to Christianity in a region of the world like Sudan or Iran where they will face grief, opposition, persecution, or even death over their religious orientation?
As well, why would someone choose to change their political orientation, to say Republican, in a family which is strictly union Democrat, and which has voted exclusively Democrat for generations, when they will face grief and opposition over their political orientation?
Now, some may respond that you cannot compare sexual orientation with political or religious orientation, since one makes the choice to convert from one religion or political orientation to another, and that one doesn't choose to be gay, that they are "born that way."
Gays aren't "born that way", though.
Numerous scientific studies, posted at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts, show these things:
1.) Environment plays a strong role in homosexuality developing. Almost all of the experts who have done some type of study on homosexuality say that homosexuality cannot be explained apart from reference to environmental factors.
2.) There is a strong prevalance of same-sex sexual abuse in the childhoods of homosexuals.
3.) Many homosexuals themselves link their homosexuality to their sexual victimization experiences.
4.) Gender Identity Disorder, gender confusion and other environmental factors have been shown to play a role in homosexuality developing in some individuals.
5.) There is no "gay gene." Identical-Twin studies, as well as other studies, have smashed this possibility.
6.) Personal choice, to some degree, is involved in all behaviors, sexual or otherwise. Even some lesbians agree with this. Genetic or environmental factors are never overwhelming.
So, you can see that the argument of "Why would someone choose to be gay in a world where they will face grief and opposition over their sexual orientation", doesn't hold water, and neither does the lie of gays being "born that way."
The problem is that sexual preferences are not really a rational choice, and the thing about homosexuality is that it is a disordered sexuality.
The various factors you posted, which correlate homosexuality with other factors, make it clear that there is a significant psychological component to it. It's simply not like changing computers, or changing from a Windows machine to Linux or Mac.
Trying, as you have, to essentially fob it off as a "market choice" is a loser from the get-go. There are deep-seated psychological issues at work here, and it's ridiculous to pretend that they don't exist.
The thing you need to address is not the disorder itself, but rather what has resulted from the attempt to make people believe that homosexual behavior is a normal, acceptable expression of sexuality. It is quite clearly not that. The "gay lobby" is part -- perhaps the leading element -- of the "no big deal" school of sexual thought that pervades, and is destroying, popular culture.
If you want to get worked up about something, get worked up about that.
As an ex-NYer I knew some guys who initially did it for the $ and then stayed that way.
I also know some gals who were intrigued into it.
And yes there are those who right out of the bag are IT!
This is from a Christian veiw,
We are born with it, its called sin. God created a male and female to fill the earth. However because of sin God's perfect plan is tainted. I do think you can be changed to a hetrosexual through the blood of Christ.
I mean think about it, why would there be a gene or something that prevents you from reproducing?
I don't buy it. How can one be taught to love the meat pole. Its in men's genes (our hard wiring--again no pun intened,,, well, maybe)to search out and aquire furburger. When genes go bad, and there is a cross in the wiring, dudes start looking good. This is not an aquired attraction. It goes against the laws of nature. Its an abberation. If you are straight, there is no social engineering or chinese water torture that can make a you look at a hairy sphincter backing up on you and say "yeah, that looks good". Sure crack addicts do. But that is different. In my last post I mentioned a few queers I picked out at an early age. I forgot to mention that one of the guys dad is a hard pipe hitt'n Marine and the other was a grizzly Adams look'n guy who was as manly of a guy you'llever meet. The families were not teaching these guys to be queer. This was back before the MTV, BRAVO days.
Sexual perversion will always attract a certain element that enjoys living outside of social norms. The societal rejection they encounter is part of the thrill. This doesn't apply to all of them, of course, but it is another aspect of the sort of mental disfunctions that can lead to these self-destructive behaviors.
Live and let live.
If it's consenting adults why not let them 'go to hell'?
I don't think the govt or society in general has any business regulating what consenting adults get up to in private.
Do you really think you could have been 'turned gay'?
Did you never have a classmate in grade school who just was gay from day one? Elton John tried marriage to straighten himself out as an adult, it didn't work, because the marriage itself was against nature.
I guarantee you have gay friends, co-workers and idols and you don't even know it, because they are so deep in the closet around you and your circle, maybe even married to keep things quiet.
If you could take your blinkers off you'd find it's not such a scary world after all.
The other one has gone back and forth just looking for a social group to belong to.
Oh, part of both stories too was rebellion. Why does a teen choose to smoke or take drugs or skip school and become a dope? The urge to rebel against authority is strong during the teenage years. Parents can mess up without even meaning to.
Just ask Anne Hesche.
Whether a person is born homosexual or not..it still manifests it self in a behavior..all behaviors can be changed and or controlled. So I would ask why would anyone one want to behave as a homosexual?
You may want to clarify that last comment.
"The societal rejection they encounter is part of the thrill"
Really? I thought they wanted to be included in society, and that it was people like you who was trying to exclude them.
My mistake.
Two things:
How do you explain the sudden switch to homosexuality in prison?
If there is a gay gene, why can't we find it?
I've never seen a baby crawl after another baby to throw down. It's not a genetic matter.
Nobody "chooses" to be gay. I doubt it is genetic. Most gays I have known simply had poor childhood identification with their fathers or adult males in general and developed a "male deficit" or yearning that became a lifeling quest.
That is not to say that homosexual acts should be excused or accepted as appropriate behavior. One is still responsible for controlling his actions and desires. A child molester's drive to molest is no less real nor is it a matter of choice, but society holds him responsible for failing to contain it.
The behavior, though, and the building of a lifestyle around the behavior, is completely voluntary. Acting upon the same-sex attraction is the choice; other options include a life of chastity or opposite-sex marriage. It's an important distinction.
What crap. As if changing religions has the same moral and societal stigma as being gay. Not to mention, many people change religions because they feel passionately that they have been lead in that direction by God. I doubt anyone who is gay feels the same divine zeal to have changed from straight to gay. This is at best tortured logic. I don't agree that God creates people to be gay (i.e. that they're "born that way). But I do believe there are psychological factors that pre-dispose people to that which are triggered in pre-pubesence by various factors. You do not choose to be gay any more than you choose to be straight.
Exotic becomes erotic.
established theory that speaks on you point exactly. Homosexuals are aroused by being perverts. They get excited by having the public forced to acknowledge homosexual sex acts of the bedroom.
Part of it is the desire to be "different". Sometimes being "different" means you are in the "different" crowd.
It's like the Goths. They claim to be "non conformists" so they all dress alike.
A young teen sees gay people being worshipped in the media and says "Hey I can be part of that". Or they decide to become queens in school to stand out.
For guys it is more about the sex without commitment I think. Absent a strong moral foundation, they simply seek to gratify themselves any way they can. They are held back by social norms too, but it is more of a restraint than a motivating factor.
Young people are more easily led astray than most parents will admit. They grow up around strangers so often and they simply crave approval. Be careful about who your babysisters are, parents. Pay attention to what's being taught in school. Listen to and know your child's social group. BE AWARE. More than that, be home as much as possible and give your child a strong faith foundation.
Wouldn't this suggest that the improper socialization had begun to take root?
Don't forget number7: Certain types of sex practises are very intense in their "effects" on the pleasure centers of the brain(compared with the more traditional sex practises of phallo/vaginal copulation)and are seen as much more addictive than Meth or cocaine.
Coupled with the mental imprinting effects regarding the sexual situations in which these sex practises occur, homosexuality becomes its own homoerotic Chinese fingertrap....hard to pull out of once one is stuck in it!
It's the orgasm addiction, and orgasms only in the sexual contexts in which they first occurred that seem to be the deciding factor. If a confused and lonely teen has his/her first mutual sex experiences with one of their own gender, it gets easier to do the same the next time and so on and so forth. Enviromental and parental estrangement issues are the secondary biggest factors certainly.
Women have releases of oxytocin when they orgasm causing them to be much more tightly bonded with the partner they are with(oxytocin is also released when a baby first suckles the breast after birth causing uterine clamping as well as chemically enhancing the "bonding" experience between mother and child), thus you see more longer term Lesbian relationships than you do with the male homosexual relationships.
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