Why Would Someone Choose To Be Gay? Maybe For The Same Reason Some Choose To Change Their Religion?

January 13, 2005

[Question_Assumptions]

The thing that is missing from all of this is that something can be both not genetic or biological and also not a conscious choice. For example, if parents beat their child at odd intervals, that child may grow up to be a compulsive liar. Their compulsive lying would not be biological nor would it be a conscious choice in the sense that it's meant in this context. I would still, however, be a psychological issue and not a biological issue. Nobody would "choose" to be a compulsive liar, expecially if it starts ruing their life, yet people do become compulsive liars that ruin their lives with their lying. Does that mean that some people think that compulsive lying is also genetic or biological in nature?

[Aquinasfan]

Why not just leave them in peace- AS LONG AS THEY DONT ABUSE THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS.

We just want "the love that dare not speak it's name" to shut up and return to the closet.

[Aquinasfan]

Same reason we are having a hard time finding the different cancer genes. We know they are there , but just can't find them yet.

How do you explain the twins studies?

[mlbford2]

So what are you saying? That my friend's families are perverts. Is that you fall back argument. I admit, its hard to argue with. Kinda like the liberal argument that Bush won because he rigged the voting machines. "How do you know he didn't" , they say. Were you there to see it, or not see it. Fractured logic argument. I guess Dick Cheney and Ronald Reagan might have molested their queer children also. Who knows. You don't,, I don't. Maybe my parents molested me. I may not remember. Maybe yours did too. You may not know. How does it feel to know you might have been molested. Boy, you opened up a whole can of worms that I never thought of.

[FormerLib]

We just want "the love that dare not speak it's name" to shut up and return to the closet.

It should be officially known as "the love that won't STFU!"

[KC_for_Freedom]

I believe we can agree that in each case the choice is made because of tendencies that the mind cannot resist. This is not my major concern, the problem as I see it is that some one in one of these groups wants society to accept their behavior and put up with it in all openness. To suggest that society do this is to suggest that a society "value" alcoholism, drug use, pedophilia,a nd homosexuality. I can not see a benefit to society. I can see why these groups would like more acceptance, but no good arguement for society to accept.

[Lindykim]

For another view of same-sex attraction disorder:
On Ducks And Homosexuality
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1311980/posts

[Melas]

I still maintain that you can't choose to be gay. I could no more choose to find hairy man butt attractive, than I could choose to be a tall black man. I'm a little white guy, and I melt at the sight of the female form, and there is there is nothing I can do to change either.

I don't know if gays are born that way, made that way, seduced into it, or what not. What I do know is that sexuality isn't a light switch you can just flick back and forth. I can't help but notice women, it's not something that I can choose.

[FormerLib]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1311980/posts

[Melas]

A boy might be effeminate but still straight. Some boys might lean a certain way, but up until recently most fought against it, hopefully overcame their urges and married women.

You've inadvertantly made my argument for me. The urges may not be inborn, but they beyond our choosing. You may successfully, or unsuccessfully fight the urges, but that's not the same thing as not having them. I've never had the urge to touch hairy man butt, ever. I had nothing to fight in that arena. However, I've had to fight a whole lot of urges concerning the female body.

[FormerLib]

It's kind of embarrassing to see so many uninformed and gay-bashing Freepers in here.

It's much more embarrassing to see any uninformed, alleged Freepers in here supporting homosexuals in the deathstyle that will ultimately consume their lives and their souls.

Homophobia is a lie, by the by. We aren't afraid of them, only disgusted by their perversions.

[An American In Dairyland]

My "argument" is that there is absolutely no way you could know what went on in your friends' home from the time of their birth until this very minute. Nobody can know what really happens in the private lives of other people.

[BikerNYC]

I don't know if gays are born that way, made that way, seduced into it, or what not. What I do know is that sexuality isn't a light switch you can just flick back and forth. I can't help but notice women, it's not something that I can choose.

I think anyone who bothers to think about how they feel about things sexually will come to realize that this is true.

[melsec]

ROFL

[Aquinasfan]

The older dressed up as Dorothy for Halloween once.

Our neighbor sent her son to ballet class at age five. He was the only boy among over 100 girls. He was stuck there for four or five years. Fortunately, five years later, he seems to be a normal boy.

[MEGoody]

"I believe we can agree that in each case the choice is made because of tendencies that the mind cannot resist."

I don't agree that the mind cannot resist. But I do agree that the activities I listed are harmful to society.

[franky]

Here is a site of the Catholic Aposolate "Courage" These are people who have had "same sex attraction". They must adhere to life just like a recovering alcoholic must. One day at a time.

These people will tell you the facts.

http://couragerc.net/TestimoniesPeter.html

[Semaphore Heathcliffe]

If the boy had a normal gender identity going into ballet, it makes sense that he'd survive unscathed. Normal kid forced into ballet might just make for a kid who tolerates ballet for mom's sake. The Dorothy boy identified with Dorothy and wanted to "be" Dorothy.

Gotta wonder about the mom's decision on ballet. Some kind of screwy motivation there.

[mlbford2]

You (and the Catholic Aposolate) first mistake is comparing homos with winos. I don't feel like explaining what I feel is the difference because this subject is retarded anyway. Basically I feel that queers should not have special rights. That's about where it ends for me. Whether you are born gay or you just feel like it is hip to bang dudes I guess is up for a never ending argument.

[melsec]

A lady I know was a lesbian for over 20 years. She realised when she began to search for God that He says that homosexuality is wrong -she was studying buddhist thought at the time. She decided to stop practicing homosexuality. She was telling me the other day that it is really all about sex -great sex she reckons - but essentially just sex. It's safe sex in a sense- safe in the thought that she was with a person that understood what she wanted and who would not reject her like many men had. Her opinion is that homosexuality is a learned thing and it is even more prompted by the fact that it is seen as cool nowadays. For her it has been a damaging experience in which she feels she has gone against herself and her creator (even though she hasn't decided who that creator is yet). She also says that once she made the decision there was some temptation to go back to it but after she got over that it was the liefstyle I.e. friendships and hanging out in bars and other places that they frequented that she really missed.

Mel