Posted on 01/13/2005 8:00:33 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Gay activists and their supporters often say, "Why would someone choose to be gay?" But why would someone want to change political parties? Why would someone want to change their religion? Maybe it's just what they feel like they need to do, or be.
Gay activists and their supporters often resort to using this phrase or one similar to it. They state: Why would someone choose to be gay in a world where they will face grief and opposition over their sexual orientation?
To which I respond: Why would a Muslim choose to convert to Christianity in a region of the world like Sudan or Iran where they will face grief, opposition, persecution, or even death over their religious orientation?
As well, why would someone choose to change their political orientation, to say Republican, in a family which is strictly union Democrat, and which has voted exclusively Democrat for generations, when they will face grief and opposition over their political orientation?
Now, some may respond that you cannot compare sexual orientation with political or religious orientation, since one makes the choice to convert from one religion or political orientation to another, and that one doesn't choose to be gay, that they are "born that way."
Gays aren't "born that way", though.
Numerous scientific studies, posted at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts, show these things:
1.) Environment plays a strong role in homosexuality developing. Almost all of the experts who have done some type of study on homosexuality say that homosexuality cannot be explained apart from reference to environmental factors.
2.) There is a strong prevalance of same-sex sexual abuse in the childhoods of homosexuals.
3.) Many homosexuals themselves link their homosexuality to their sexual victimization experiences.
4.) Gender Identity Disorder, gender confusion and other environmental factors have been shown to play a role in homosexuality developing in some individuals.
5.) There is no "gay gene." Identical-Twin studies, as well as other studies, have smashed this possibility.
6.) Personal choice, to some degree, is involved in all behaviors, sexual or otherwise. Even some lesbians agree with this. Genetic or environmental factors are never overwhelming.
So, you can see that the argument of "Why would someone choose to be gay in a world where they will face grief and opposition over their sexual orientation", doesn't hold water, and neither does the lie of gays being "born that way."
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So, what's the difference between homosexual and gay?
Although there is no scientific evidence for innate homosexual attraction, a very few people seem so hard-wired into it that I could accept it as fact, with real evidence. But homosexual behavior, like any other antisocial act, is purely a matter of choice.
In fact, I believe that the incidence of compulsive homosexuality is about the same as the incidence of compulsive criminality. The problem lies in failure to suppress this urge to behave abnormally. American society by law accommodates many disabilities to the extent possible, and there is currently an attempt to put this "disability" into the same protected class. It doesn't belong there.
A quick Google search gave me 38,000 results. Take your pick. I saw this on the Health Channel a number of months ago.
Ewww!
Yes, probably your heterosexuality came naturally because you were born man or woman. THAT is genetic, and therefore natural. How can you compare?.
"See, you made assumptions based upon your own prejudices and you fell flat on your face in this case."
Hmmmm...I think I'll let that 'prejudices' hang there.
So anyway, what's with that Cheney girl? You think she was molested? Scared of men? Into domination...or...is it none of our business how she conducts her life.
"..if they attempt to force me to accept their deviance or restrict my right to live my life as I choose"
You're the one who is all about restrict how others live their lives, and no doubt in favor of govt action to support your views.
"I don't think government has any right in forcing me to recognize homosexual pairings as anything that I must accept."
You're not being forced to recognize anything by anyone, no-one is going to take awy your beliefs.
"I think that you can condition a person in such a way as to subvert natural tendencies. The Nazis did that when it came to killing people they declared inferior."
Hmmm...and who would be inferior in your reckoning?
I think I'll just let that one hang too.
"I guarantee you have gay friends, co-workers and idols and you don't even know it...
Pity we didn't bet money on that 'cause you would have lost."
Yeah...I'm sure you've made your views quite clear to friends and co-workers, so they'd feel real comfortable coming out in front of you.
excellent post.
What's the link about? I don't go to links (can't until my computer has proper protection).
"Yes, probably your heterosexuality came naturally because you were born man or woman. THAT is genetic, and therefore natural. How can you compare?."
I don't know. I never felt - or feel now - this struggle with 'dark desires' that Little Jeramiah and some others on here seem be living with.
But I've been told that I lack imagination, and I congratulate all the earnest warriors here in the fight against deviant urges.
Or maybe they're just happy to see you?
Homosexuals deliberately co-opted the word "gay" as a publicity measure to seem more "normal." Homosexual harkens back to their description in the DSM back when they were rightfully considered a psychological abberration. Heterosexuals really should "take back" the word "gay" and return it to its original meaning.
No thanks. If you had a link to the specific study, I'd read it.
But I'm not interested enough to forage for one myself.
Smacked your @$$ and called you Sally.
So anyway, what's with that Cheney girl?
So long as she doesn't attempt anything to force me acknowledge her "relationship," I don't really care.
You're the one who is all about restrict how others live their lives, and no doubt in favor of govt action to support your views.
They're forced the issue and now are reaping the whirlwind. If only they'd stuck to democratic methods, the backlash wouldn't have happened. Guess we're lucky that poofters are stupid, huh?
You're not being forced to recognize anything by anyone, no-one is going to take awy your beliefs.
You're right in that they aren't succeeding but they are trying.
"I think that you can condition a person in such a way as to subvert natural tendencies. The Nazis did that when it came to killing people they declared inferior."
Hmmm...and who would be inferior in your reckoning?
Wow, I guess I typed that too fast for you to get the meaning, huh? No matter, so long as we have free speech and the freedom of religion in this country, decent people will teach their kids that homosexual acts are immoral and no amount of your attempts to recondition them will work. Sorry, no boinking other people's children as government policy!
Yeah...I'm sure you've made your views quite clear to friends and co-workers, so they'd feel real comfortable coming out in front of you.
And thanks for restating your blind prejudices, madg.
I agree. I have already wasted enough time on this stupid thread, that I care very little about, anyway.
What has happened is that the failures and freaks and just plain moral degenerates have successfully changed society so that they are no longer considered failures, freaks and moral degenerates. Their behavior and attitudes are now acceptable, even the norm.
Most people are happy to see me. I live in a world that seems bathed with smiles, just as the Queen of England thinks every place smells of fresh paint and flowers.
:)
I am a hard-working, fair, tolerant and polite man with a ready wit, an easy smile and a way with sleight of hand card tricks.
Do find that many people seem sullen, quiet, angry or withdrawn around you? Is the world you inhabit a cold and distant one?
Are we, perhaps, creating our own realities?
Yes. That's how we know it exists.
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