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Copying, content and communism (Bill Gates on Who is a Communist
BBC ^ | Bill Thompson

Posted on 01/13/2005 12:54:36 AM PST by nickcarraway

Bill Gates, Microsoft's chairman and chief software architect, has been talking about the digital future. The other Bill, technology critic Bill Thompson, has been reading between the lines.

Bill Gates thinks I'm a communist.

Not the old-fashioned state socialist concerned with five-year plans for boot production in the eastern provinces, but a "new modern-day sort of communist", the sort who "want to get rid of the incentive for musicians and movie-makers and software makers".

Admittedly, Mr Gates probably does not know who I am and I doubt if he spends a lot of time reading the BBC news site.

But he clearly thinks that those of us who are concerned about the restrictions on creativity placed in our way by the extension of intellectual property law, and those who oppose software patents, pose a serious danger to the US economy and Microsoft's profitability.

Gates made his comment about communism in an interview he gave to tech news site CNet just before he spoke at the opening session of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.

It was an interesting aside, since it revealed just how much Microsoft is worried by the growing popularity of the free and open source software movement.

Patent pounding

Microsoft likes patents and protection partly because it has a lot of patents and can afford to employ expensive lawyers to defend them.

And it is clear from what Mr Gates said at the show that he has decided to bet the future of the company on finding lucrative ways to help the content industry - music, movies and games - reach consumers rather than just offering operating systems and applications to those who want them.

That means turning away from the idea that a computer is a general-purpose device that will process any sort of digital content into building systems that enforce restrictions and help rights holders exploit their customers more effectively in future than they ever managed in the past.

It means providing publishing systems to set up online music stores, writing operating systems that allow people to listen to music and watch TV or DVDs on any screen they can find, and ensuring that all of these systems incorporate the sort of digital rights management that provide ways for content owners to 'protect' their property by limiting copying, viewing or distribution.

It is a vision that puts Microsoft everywhere - not just as a software company but as the core provider of every component for our new digital lives at work and home.

It is also a vision that relies on controlling what we can do with the music, movies, games and any other forms of digital content we find on our hard drives.

Business software and commercial systems remain important, of course, partly because Office and other tools make a lot of money, but also because the technology we will be using in our homes is only the end point of a sophisticated and incredibly complex chain of integrated components.

Xbox Live, for example, is not just about the console in someone's living room, but relies on the network and a customer management service to let people sign up and pay.

It also needs a massive server farm to host the games in progress and let players communicate.

And setting up an online music store is a major e-commerce undertaking, even once you have sorted out the rights issues with the record companies.

Tough talk

It would be easy to dismiss this as just another unreachable aspiration from an egomaniacal geek, but we should not forget just how powerful Microsoft can be.

In his CNet interview Gates defended Internet Explorer against the increasingly popular Firefox browser, arguing that many people will have both IE and Firefox on their computers and will use both.

And when he was asked if Microsoft would lose to Firefox he said "people who underestimated us there in the past lived to regret that".

Those of us who remember the browser wars, when Microsoft used its market dominance to undermine Netscape, know just what he means.

So while Linux, Firefox and even Apple may look like threats at the moment, we should not forget that Microsoft is big enough to make serious mistakes, retreat and then come back having learned its lessons.

In the mid 1990's it tried and failed to persuade US cable companies to run a version of Windows on set top boxes, believing that it would give it access to the broadband content market.

The cable companies did not like what Microsoft was trying to do and did not trust its software, and the plan failed.

But now cable companies like SBC Communications are running the latest version of the same software, and Microsoft's IPTV (Internet Protocol Television) work is beginning to take off.

It's the same with mobile phones. The first Windows smartphone, the SPV, was universally derided as buggy and unusable, but now it claims 61 operators in 28 countries are using the latest version.

And of course the second-generation Xbox will combine console gaming with home entertainment, network connectivity and many other functions.

If Microsoft has decided that the future lies with the content owners, using the increasingly restrictive laws on intellectual property to build and safeguard its markets, rather than with the hardware providers who are capable of building PCs, hard drive recorders, portable music players without copy protection, then we should all take notice.

Or in five years time it could be: "Where do you want to go today? - but get permission from Microsoft first".

Bill Thompson is a regular commentator on the BBC World Service programme Go Digital.


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To: N3WBI3
"Are you saying MS infringes on no patents?? Where is their respect for ip?"

Microsoft gives full legal protection to their clients for Microsoft software purchased.
Red Hat doesn't.
Plus Microsoft actually pays for IP that they use from other firms, like they just signed a huge cross license agreement with Siemens. That's what costumers care about.
101 posted on 01/13/2005 12:49:24 PM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: N3WBI3
"The author of every piece of Linux code is known"

The guy that claims he is the author.
There is a difference.
102 posted on 01/13/2005 12:51:07 PM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: KwasiOwusu
And yours was a reply to my post.

Actually, your post was a reply to mine.

You're hopelessly confused. Perhaps you should take a break from FReeping and get back to work.

103 posted on 01/13/2005 12:51:13 PM PST by TechJunkYard (my "other PC" is a 4381)
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To: ThinkDifferent
"So why aren't you buying SCOX? Pretty much every analyst and trader disagrees with you, so you have an easy opportunity to make a fortune. Scared to put your money where your mouth is?"

How about I have a list of at least 30 good stocks that are ahead of SCO on my list and investing in a more diverisfied portfolio etc etc.
I can think of at least 10 reasons.
None of them has to do with thinking SCO won't win.
104 posted on 01/13/2005 12:54:12 PM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: KwasiOwusu
Microsoft gives full legal protection to their clients for Microsoft software purchased.

I see, so its ok not to respect IP if you can afford it right?

Plus Microsoft actually pays for IP that they use from other firms

Yes its just that sometimes they a court needs to convince them... See Eolas..

105 posted on 01/13/2005 12:55:03 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: KwasiOwusu

Point being that if offending code is found it can be removed and the party that stole the code is known..


106 posted on 01/13/2005 12:55:56 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: KwasiOwusu
None of them has to do with thinking SCO won't win.

Then you don't know anything about investing, either. If SCO wins, their stock will climb 10x within 1 week. It would also soon eclipse MSFT in value due to their "ownership" of the IP that they claim. At these prices, you'd be an idiot to pass them up if you sincerely believe they're going to win this joke of a case.

107 posted on 01/13/2005 12:56:54 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: KwasiOwusu

Heck if I thought for a second sco would win I would buy some in a second, it would easily go up 400% in the next two years...


108 posted on 01/13/2005 12:57:09 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: N3WBI3
See Eolas..

Beat me to it.

Ain't this fun?

109 posted on 01/13/2005 12:58:12 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: TechJunkYard
Lets look at your post again shall we?
You posted:

"This nation was built by free people who wanted to do their own thing....The Open Source community's philosophy and background is very similar""

To which I replied:

" Dream on.
This country was built by capitalists and entrepreneurs with a strong profit motive
Men like J P Morgan, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Ford, John D. Rockefeller etc etc.
They built this country. Strong visionary men who went out to build and to OWN what they built."

etc etc till we got to this point.

We are all along talking about this country being BUILT here.
We are talking BUSINESSES.
We are not talking about this country being governed. We are not talking politicians.


"You're hopelessly confused"

I suggest its you that is confused.

"Perhaps you should take a break from FReeping and get back to work."

I'd suggest you take a break...but go walk in the rain or something
That should clear your muddled , befuddled head.
Poor guy.
110 posted on 01/13/2005 1:07:18 PM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: ShadowAce
I sure hope he starts these threds with these on...
111 posted on 01/13/2005 1:10:28 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: N3WBI3
"Heck if I thought for a second sco would win I would buy some in a second, it would easily go up 400% in the next two years..."

There are literally hundreds of higly volatile stocks out there (especially in the OTC market) that have gone up higher than 400% in any one year. SCO would not be unique in that respect
112 posted on 01/13/2005 1:10:28 PM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: N3WBI3
"I see, so its ok not to respect IP if you can afford it right?"

You repect IP. Period.
As far as the costumer is concerned, they don't want to know about legal wrangles about code.
All they want to know is, the software vendor is taking care of business.
Thats what matters.


"Yes its just that sometimes they a court needs to convince them... See Eolas.."

You don't really think Eolas ill win do you?
They won't.
Microsoft will not be paying them anything.
Still irrelevant.
The costumer is already indemnified by Microsoft, no matter how the case goes.
113 posted on 01/13/2005 1:16:18 PM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: N3WBI3
I can go to my car, open up the hood, study it, pull it apart, put it together, use parts from it in another car. Thats open source.

Yeah, right... and the intake manifold from my Chrysler will bolt right onto my wife's Ford? THAT would be open source. It aint.

114 posted on 01/13/2005 1:17:20 PM PST by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: ShadowAce
"See Eolas.. Beat me to it."

See my post 113.
115 posted on 01/13/2005 1:18:02 PM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: nickcarraway

After working at MS for years and moving over to LAMP I am one happy guy and my pocket book is better and I show people what is happening and they pretty much have there jaws on the floor and there eyes buldging out of there sockets.

Nice payback is a b!tch MS

Happy Happy Joy Joy


116 posted on 01/13/2005 1:18:11 PM PST by ezo4
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To: KwasiOwusu
Ahh but if sco wins this in not a highly volatile stock. Sco will instantly own huge portions of AIX, HP-UX, Linux. The dollar amount alone would make the company worth more than ten times its current value.

Youre sure SCO is going to win, how is this volatile? (Also SCOX is not OTC)

117 posted on 01/13/2005 1:19:31 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: N3WBI3
"hmmm I can go to my car, open up the hood, study it, pull it apart, put it together, use parts from it in another car. Thats open source. Would you buy a car that you could not look under the hood of?"

LMAO!
Now that is beaut.
This why you guys are called open source nuts.
You are truly crazy.
118 posted on 01/13/2005 1:19:54 PM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: cspackler
...the intake manifold from my Chrysler will bolt right onto my wife's Ford? THAT would be open source.

Wrong. That would be interoperability.

119 posted on 01/13/2005 1:21:48 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: N3WBI3
"Can you find a vourt case where it has been proven that Linux has stolen IP?"

The case is still in court.
The wheels of justice grind slowly, but the grind fine.
Don't worry, you'll get the judgment against you that you seek. :)
120 posted on 01/13/2005 1:22:28 PM PST by KwasiOwusu
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