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Copying, content and communism (Bill Gates on Who is a Communist
BBC ^ | Bill Thompson

Posted on 01/13/2005 12:54:36 AM PST by nickcarraway

Bill Gates, Microsoft's chairman and chief software architect, has been talking about the digital future. The other Bill, technology critic Bill Thompson, has been reading between the lines.

Bill Gates thinks I'm a communist.

Not the old-fashioned state socialist concerned with five-year plans for boot production in the eastern provinces, but a "new modern-day sort of communist", the sort who "want to get rid of the incentive for musicians and movie-makers and software makers".

Admittedly, Mr Gates probably does not know who I am and I doubt if he spends a lot of time reading the BBC news site.

But he clearly thinks that those of us who are concerned about the restrictions on creativity placed in our way by the extension of intellectual property law, and those who oppose software patents, pose a serious danger to the US economy and Microsoft's profitability.

Gates made his comment about communism in an interview he gave to tech news site CNet just before he spoke at the opening session of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.

It was an interesting aside, since it revealed just how much Microsoft is worried by the growing popularity of the free and open source software movement.

Patent pounding

Microsoft likes patents and protection partly because it has a lot of patents and can afford to employ expensive lawyers to defend them.

And it is clear from what Mr Gates said at the show that he has decided to bet the future of the company on finding lucrative ways to help the content industry - music, movies and games - reach consumers rather than just offering operating systems and applications to those who want them.

That means turning away from the idea that a computer is a general-purpose device that will process any sort of digital content into building systems that enforce restrictions and help rights holders exploit their customers more effectively in future than they ever managed in the past.

It means providing publishing systems to set up online music stores, writing operating systems that allow people to listen to music and watch TV or DVDs on any screen they can find, and ensuring that all of these systems incorporate the sort of digital rights management that provide ways for content owners to 'protect' their property by limiting copying, viewing or distribution.

It is a vision that puts Microsoft everywhere - not just as a software company but as the core provider of every component for our new digital lives at work and home.

It is also a vision that relies on controlling what we can do with the music, movies, games and any other forms of digital content we find on our hard drives.

Business software and commercial systems remain important, of course, partly because Office and other tools make a lot of money, but also because the technology we will be using in our homes is only the end point of a sophisticated and incredibly complex chain of integrated components.

Xbox Live, for example, is not just about the console in someone's living room, but relies on the network and a customer management service to let people sign up and pay.

It also needs a massive server farm to host the games in progress and let players communicate.

And setting up an online music store is a major e-commerce undertaking, even once you have sorted out the rights issues with the record companies.

Tough talk

It would be easy to dismiss this as just another unreachable aspiration from an egomaniacal geek, but we should not forget just how powerful Microsoft can be.

In his CNet interview Gates defended Internet Explorer against the increasingly popular Firefox browser, arguing that many people will have both IE and Firefox on their computers and will use both.

And when he was asked if Microsoft would lose to Firefox he said "people who underestimated us there in the past lived to regret that".

Those of us who remember the browser wars, when Microsoft used its market dominance to undermine Netscape, know just what he means.

So while Linux, Firefox and even Apple may look like threats at the moment, we should not forget that Microsoft is big enough to make serious mistakes, retreat and then come back having learned its lessons.

In the mid 1990's it tried and failed to persuade US cable companies to run a version of Windows on set top boxes, believing that it would give it access to the broadband content market.

The cable companies did not like what Microsoft was trying to do and did not trust its software, and the plan failed.

But now cable companies like SBC Communications are running the latest version of the same software, and Microsoft's IPTV (Internet Protocol Television) work is beginning to take off.

It's the same with mobile phones. The first Windows smartphone, the SPV, was universally derided as buggy and unusable, but now it claims 61 operators in 28 countries are using the latest version.

And of course the second-generation Xbox will combine console gaming with home entertainment, network connectivity and many other functions.

If Microsoft has decided that the future lies with the content owners, using the increasingly restrictive laws on intellectual property to build and safeguard its markets, rather than with the hardware providers who are capable of building PCs, hard drive recorders, portable music players without copy protection, then we should all take notice.

Or in five years time it could be: "Where do you want to go today? - but get permission from Microsoft first".

Bill Thompson is a regular commentator on the BBC World Service programme Go Digital.


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1 posted on 01/13/2005 12:54:37 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
The British BS Corporation does it again.
Fresh from broadcasting the vile Jerry Springer obscenity laced, Christ mocking filthfest, they turn their attention to what they are best at again, spewing out anti-American, anti US business propaganda.
This one goes straight to the garbage bin, to join all the other normal rubbish from the Baghdad Broadcasting Corporation.
2 posted on 01/13/2005 1:11:09 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: nickcarraway

The drama between Open Source/Linux/Apache and proprietary licensed software like Microsoft very much parallels the more tangible battle of Marxism vs. Capitalism; government ownership of everything vs. private property rights.

The Mozilla.org logo very much is reminiscent of Communist China.

The cry "information just wants to be free" is at core an attack on intellectual property (private property) rights....


3 posted on 01/13/2005 1:13:56 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (REMEMBER THE ALGOREAMO--relentlessly DEMAND the TRUTH, like the Dems demand recounts!)
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To: nickcarraway

Copyright law of 100 years ago was closer to original intent of our Constitution (which includes concepts of fair use and works lapsing into the public domain).

It was also freer (no royalties to record a song on record, no royalties to play a song on radio...). Cases went to the Supreme Court and these freedoms held. Eventually entertainers got the special legislation that they wanted.


4 posted on 01/13/2005 1:14:50 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Blurblogger

Copyrights and patents were all designed to give limited exclusive use periods to the creators (or those they decided to sell their ownership to). All works were supposed to lapse into the public domain.

The way to avoid making such information public and available is to not file it with anyone (which is why some people will reverse engineer software, hardware, and recipes).


5 posted on 01/13/2005 1:18:00 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Blurblogger

Yes ... and no. There's the larger issue of who "owns" information... the state? Microsoft? the people? Intellectual property rights may need to be protected in some new form, but I'm afraid Bill Gates and megacorporations are not the folks I want to trust with control over information access.


6 posted on 01/13/2005 1:19:48 AM PST by rpgdfmx
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To: Blurblogger
"The drama between Open Source/Linux/Apache and proprietary licensed software like Microsoft very much parallels the more tangible battle of Marxism vs. Capitalism; government ownership of everything vs. private property rights. "

There is not too much difference between open source ideology, as advocated by Eric Raymond and Richard Stallman, and communism as advocated by Karl Marx in his "Das Kapital".
No prizes for guessing whose side the left wing, American-hating BBC is on.
7 posted on 01/13/2005 1:23:08 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: rpgdfmx
"There's the larger issue of who "owns" information... the state?"

We are not talking about information here.
We are talking about Microsoft's intellectual property that they have spent billions of dollars , and continue to spend billions of dollars every year, developing.

"Intellectual property rights may need to be protected in some new form"

That is double speak for Communism.
its not a "new form".
It's been tried in the old Soviet Union, Eastern Europe and Cuba.
Stalin tried it too Failed every time.

"but I'm afraid Bill Gates and megacorporations are not the folks I want to trust with control over information access."

Its not up to you to determine who you'd "trust" with intellectual property developed by a private corporation
This is America , not North Korea.
When people work hard and spend money to develop intellectual property, the own it.
They don't have to go get permission from loony left crazies for that.
8 posted on 01/13/2005 1:31:46 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: nickcarraway
As 10-to-20 million Americans dump Windows and switch to other platforms over the next couple of years, Microsoft will shift their marketing focus to China and other "emerging" and "developing" countries.

More than ever, Microsoft needs Commies, and Commies need Microsoft.

9 posted on 01/13/2005 1:59:06 AM PST by HAL9000 (Spreading terrorist beheading propaganda videos is an Act of Treason!)
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To: KwasiOwusu
"Intellectual property rights may need to be protected in some new form"

That is double speak for Communism.

The American state does not own intellectual property rights. The patent office can be used to enforce your own intellectual property rights (with the stipulation that you will relinquish those rights at some future point). Our government creates NO copyrights, government texts are copyright free (which is why many publishers will release their own "Starr Report" or "Warren Commission" books using the government text). Even NASA images and WPA photos from the Library Of Congress carry no royalties.

The belief was that our inventions and literature would develop our culture. One thing would build off of the next. We would never have gotten to this stage of scientific development if someone tried to monopolize things forever.

Many people try to develop new technology (as it has always been). There were "races" to develop planes, television, and movie cameras. The rewards seem to go to the one who gets the job completed first (not just develops the "missing" piece) and can capitalize on it.

I think that the private race for space will have more pay off in the long run but it would be wrong to require all space launches to go through one private agency. Should everyone be driving a Ford today? Should different manufactuers' cars run on different patented fuels and even require different roads?

10 posted on 01/13/2005 2:01:14 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: HAL9000
"As 10-to-20 million Americans dump Windows and switch to other platforms over the next couple of years"

Dream on.
Microsoft sold more desktop Windows licenses last year than ever before.
When the results for the December quarter are released, Microsoft will probably have had a record desktop Windows revenues for any quarter (just going by Intel's record revenues reported yesterday).
Microsoft is as strong as ever, if not more more.


"More than ever, Microsoft needs Commies, and Commies need Microsoft."

China may be ruled by the Communist Party, but is China's economy "communist"? Nope.
Some parts of China like Shanghai are more free enterprise than even eastern parts of Germany today.
11 posted on 01/13/2005 2:10:43 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: KwasiOwusu
is China's economy "communist"? Nope.

Spoken like a true Globalist. Sheesh.

12 posted on 01/13/2005 2:40:13 AM PST by HAL9000 (Spreading terrorist beheading propaganda videos is an Act of Treason!)
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To: HAL9000

Astute friends of mine describe China as Fascism with a Communist face. Chinese free enterprise is for the benefit of the state and its expansionist aims. And, I'm not sure how "free" those enterprises are. Try putting out an unapproved website, for example.


13 posted on 01/13/2005 2:51:46 AM PST by rpgdfmx
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To: KwasiOwusu

14 posted on 01/13/2005 3:16:22 AM PST by Nick Danger (No article by Bob Wallace was used in the manufacture of this post)
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To: Nick Danger

LOL


15 posted on 01/13/2005 3:19:21 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: rpgdfmx
"I'm not sure how "free" those enterprises are."

Thousands of startups, hundreds of venture capitals firms (including many from Silicon Valley), IPO's of startups on both Chinese and US stock markets, hundreds of thousands of bright Chinese young men with new ideas and eager to start their own firms and "change the world", etc etc.
Arguably they are better at creating new frims than those socialistic EU countries.

" Try putting out an unapproved website, for example."

You could, to an extent, say the same thing about certain EU countries like France , where Yahoo and other American firms have been forced to modify and in some cases close down sites that the French did not like.
16 posted on 01/13/2005 3:21:00 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: Blurblogger

Seems to me that open source philosophy is just another contender in the free market.


17 posted on 01/13/2005 3:21:39 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Are the leftists still allowing us to say 'Happy New Year'?)
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To: KwasiOwusu
Its not up to you to determine who you'd "trust" with intellectual property developed by a private corporation This is America , not North Korea. When people work hard and spend money to develop intellectual property, the own it.

Exactly, and the Mozilla people have decided to give theirs away. Now, if some talented programmer or group who contributes to Mozilla realizes the marketability of their talents, they can enter the free market at a compensatory level. Let the market work and stay out of people's choices. If they want to work for less than they're worth, it's good for the consumption side of the equation.

18 posted on 01/13/2005 3:26:23 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Are the leftists still allowing us to say 'Happy New Year'?)
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To: Nick Danger
Hey, I didn't know the open source devils had managed to resurrect Lenin too.
Great work guys.
Now you've gone and done it.
19 posted on 01/13/2005 3:33:14 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: ovrtaxt
"Now, if some talented programmer or group who contributes to Mozilla realizes the marketability of their talents, they can enter the free market at a compensatory level. Let the market work and stay out of people's choices. If they want to work for less than they're worth, it's good for the consumption side of the equation."

Agree with all that.
20 posted on 01/13/2005 3:35:25 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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