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Believers go on rack [to be tortured in laboratories] to prove God relieves pain
timesonline.co.uk ^ | January 12, 2005 | Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent

Posted on 01/12/2005 6:27:41 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel

January 12, 2005

Believers go on rack to prove God relieves pain

PEOPLE are to be tortured in laboratories at Oxford University in a United States-funded experiment to determine whether belief in God is effective in relieving pain.

Top neurologists, pharmacologists, anatomists, ethicists and theologians are to examine the scientific basis of religious belief and whether it is anything more than a placebo.

Headed by Baroness Greenfield, the leading neurologist, the new Centre for the Science of the Mind is to use imaging systems to find out how religious, spiritual and other belief systems, such as an illogical belief in the innate superiority of men, influence consciousness.

A central aspect of the two-year study, which has $2 million (£1.06 million) funding from the John Templeton Foundation, the US philanthropic body, will involve dozens of people being subjected to painful experiments in laboratory conditions.

While enduring the agony, they will be exposed to religious symbols such as images of the Virgin Mary or a crucifix. Their neurological responses will be measured to determine the efficacy of their faith in helping them to cope.

The aim is to develop new and practical approaches “for promoting wellbeing and ultimately maximising individual human potential”.

The pain experiments will be conducted under the direction of Toby Collins, who has a background in marine biology and the nerve systems of invertebrates. He said that many people in pain turned to faith for relief. Some looked to religious or secular healing systems.

He said that the experiments would involve non-invasive simulation of burns and will be conducted according to strict ethical rules. As they suffer, the human guinea pigs will be asked to access a belief system, whether religious or otherwise.

Dr Collins said: “We will simulate a burn sensation to see how people, through distraction or by accessing different strategies, can modulate and reduce the levels of pain.”

John Stein, a neuroscientist from Oxford’s physiology department, said: “Pain has been central to a lot of problems that religious and other thinkers have concentrated on.”

Professor Stein said that people differed widely in the extent to which they felt pain. “What we want to do is correlate that with their underlying beliefs.”

The study is considered of vital importance in the present world climate, given the role of religious fundamentalism in international terrorism. A better understanding of the physiology of belief, the conditions that entrench it in the mind and its usefulness in mitigating pain could be crucial to developing counter-terrorist strategies for the future.

Scientists have long been baffled at the persistence of these beliefs in the face of seemingly irrefutable logic. Professor Lewis Wolpert, the biologist, has speculated in the past that a belief in how the world was created and what happens after death may have conferred an evolutionary advantage.

The new centre will investigate how people form belief and how the mind works in relations to belief. Scientists will examine what causes people to change their beliefs, and how this affects the mind. Lady Greenfield, Professor of Synaptic Pharmacology at Oxford and director of the Royal Institution of Great Britain in Mayfair, Central London, said: “To the best of my knowledge, this centre will be the first of its kind in the UK, if not in Europe. It brings together equal numbers of academics from the humanities and the sciences, approaching the same problem.”

PAST TORTURE

  • Two thousand years ago, crucifixion was a favoured form of torture and execution. Christians were also sewn up in the skins of wild beasts and dogs let loose on them

  • The rack was used by the Inquisition which began in 1232 when Emperor Frederick II issued an edict against heretics

  • The Spanish Inquisition of the 15th century was aimed originally at Marranos, baptised Jews suspected of having returned to their old faith


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1 posted on 01/12/2005 6:27:42 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

How much pain does it take to adequately torture a Christian?

Research privately funded by the ACLU and other liberal organizations... ;-)

j/k


2 posted on 01/12/2005 6:29:39 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

This is nonsense. God's not going to protect you if you drive into a wall at 90 miles per hour. If you purposely subject yourself to pain so God can save you, isn't that tempting God or testing Him?


3 posted on 01/12/2005 6:31:24 PM PST by sonserae
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To: St. Johann Tetzel; KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Revel; Velveeta; ...

No, this ISN'T from the Onion!


4 posted on 01/12/2005 6:31:29 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel


Luke 4:12

Jesus said to him, "Again it has been written:

You shall not tempt the Lord your God."

Deu 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.


5 posted on 01/12/2005 6:32:32 PM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: Raycpa

Yep. Presumption of the worst kind.


6 posted on 01/12/2005 6:33:24 PM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer -or- Not every question deserves an answer.)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel
Scientist note first consclusive evidence : "Oh my God that hurts!!!
7 posted on 01/12/2005 6:34:02 PM PST by DainBramage
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To: St. Johann Tetzel
Headed by Baroness Greenfield, the leading neurologist, the new Centre for the Science of the Mind is to use imaging systems to find out how religious, spiritual and other belief systems, such as an illogical belief in the innate superiority of men, influence consciousness.

Setting aside the religious questions, how is "belief in the innate superiority of men", a priori, "illogical"?

Unless they mean it as men, compared to women, of course. 8>)

8 posted on 01/12/2005 6:39:40 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

This is ridiculous. Your belief system can help you cope with pain that was not of your choosing or under your own volition. But what does religion have to do with how people respond to pain that they voluntarily subject themselves to?

Why don't they conduct studies with people who already suffer from chronic pain and test various psychological methods for helping them find relief? Wouldn't that make more sense and be more natural than artificially imposing pain on people?


9 posted on 01/12/2005 6:41:51 PM PST by blurb
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

This is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of.


10 posted on 01/12/2005 6:42:54 PM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

Your tax dollars at work.


11 posted on 01/12/2005 6:47:17 PM PST by Frankss
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To: Frankss

Sorry, looks like non-government funding. Scientist at work!


12 posted on 01/12/2005 6:50:15 PM PST by Frankss
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

Hope they don't put panties on their heads.....


13 posted on 01/12/2005 6:50:22 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: exnavychick; St. Johann Tetzel; All

I don't know if any of you are science fiction fans, but this is very reminiscent of the test given to Paul Atreides in Frank Herbert's novel "Dune" to determine if he was indeed human. The theory being that only a human could overcome instinct and tolerate pain rather than flee. (Of course, the test was a life-and-death choice.)


14 posted on 01/12/2005 6:52:26 PM PST by shibumi (Sum Ergo Flatulo)
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To: shibumi

I've heard of the book, but I've never read it. Sounds interesting, and I know my mom loves it. She's a big sci-fi fan. :)


15 posted on 01/12/2005 6:57:20 PM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: exnavychick

It's a long read, with a lot of interesting things to say about human potential. It is definitely NOT a Christian perspective, but then I don't recommend it as a model for life, merely entertaining, with the bonus of some good philosophical nuggets.

The next two books in the series are weaker, and by the time Herbert reaches the fourth, he has created his own reduxio ad absurdem.


16 posted on 01/12/2005 7:10:33 PM PST by shibumi (Sum Ergo Flatulo)
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To: Calpernia

Their going to simulate burns??

Ooooookkkkkaaayyyy!


17 posted on 01/12/2005 7:41:25 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: Velveeta

oops

Their = they're


18 posted on 01/12/2005 7:55:55 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

I have a cost saving idea: Just tie them down to a chair and make them read DemocraticUnderground posts for days... now that would be TORTURE.


19 posted on 01/12/2005 7:57:19 PM PST by Barney59 ("This reelection is as secure as a double-knot tied in wet rawhide.")
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To: coconutt2000

They are testing non-Christians also.


20 posted on 01/12/2005 8:00:08 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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