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The C-Word: Say It (Social Security scam's crisis 2009)
National Review Online ^ | Jan. 11, 2005 | Donald Luskin

Posted on 01/11/2005 10:19:34 AM PST by Hank Rearden

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And Bush thinks he can "fix" this scam, instead of shutting it down. Sure, George; how, exactly, do you "fix" a Ponzi scheme?

Maybe if you cook up a scheme to throw "free" pills at the Sheeple, they won't notice.

1 posted on 01/11/2005 10:19:35 AM PST by Hank Rearden
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To: Hank Rearden

Gee, too bad Bush stole the election from aLgOrE. Social Security would be safe in a lockbox right now....


2 posted on 01/11/2005 10:26:42 AM PST by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Basketball! Win CCS!)
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His "fix" IS shuting it down. It is called privitization.

You fix a ponzi scheme by neutering the perpitrator, with a blunt chainsaw.


3 posted on 01/11/2005 10:35:07 AM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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That surplus goes into Social Security trust funds, where it is used to buy Treasury bonds that are held as an investment toward the payment of future benefits.

Sure it does - that money has been purloined by our "representatives" and any "surplus" is on paper.

4 posted on 01/11/2005 10:36:07 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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IOW, there will be no social security after 2018. We already know that.


5 posted on 01/11/2005 10:38:01 AM PST by pabianice
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To: fireforeffect
His "fix" IS shuting it down. It is called privitization.

Two percent?

Shut it down completely; Ponzi schemes are illegal, right? Or not when run by Our Rulers?

6 posted on 01/11/2005 10:46:58 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: freebilly

Money sitting in a government "lockbox" is just like money stuffed in a mattress--your money is not earning any interest or growing in any real sense, nor is it being used to help the economy, in fact, it is losing ground to inflation. Yes, the government is paying interest on treasury bonds, but this doesn't come from anywhere but the government itself. This is like you putting your retirement savings in a sock and putting a little extra in the sock for 'interest'. The money hasn't really earned any income from outside sources. We would be better buying CD's from a bank, at least we would be earning some interest.


7 posted on 01/11/2005 10:51:09 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: Hank Rearden

There is no "Trust Fund", there is no "Lock box" and there is no "Surplus". Every cent the Government collects in taxes today was spent long ago. Filling up file cabinets with Treasury Bonds that will have to be redeemed with newly collected money, aka taxes, is not a surplus, it's a debt.

Perhaps if the Treasury invested in Canadian, Mexican, French or German government bonds the system could be saved.


8 posted on 01/11/2005 10:52:49 AM PST by Fog Nozzle
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Flip side: the money under the matress or in the sock is hard real spendable cash, not bits in a computer or (more relevant to SS) an accounting trick.


9 posted on 01/11/2005 10:55:36 AM PST by ctdonath2
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There is no "Trust Fund", there is no "Lock box" and there is no "Surplus". Every cent the Government collects in taxes today was spent long ago.

Yes, of course. Scams piled on top of scams, on top of scams. An unworkable scheme, with unlimited obligations, created by political parasites who were dead before I was born.

Good thing we're Free.

10 posted on 01/11/2005 10:56:25 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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Chain letters always have a way of coming to an end. Too bad the rulers pulled this on an unsuspecting public. They will pay the benefits if they have to let the presses roll 24/7, you can have confidence in that. Of course, 1 loaf of bread will bring 40 dollars by then.


11 posted on 01/11/2005 10:57:04 AM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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Actually, it's more like writing an IOU to yourself for retirement, then blowing the cash. Trust fund my a$$. If I took out a collateral loan, then spent the collateral I'd get screwed. If the government does it, it's SOP and no one wants to rock the boat.

The thing that caught my attention in this article was the 5 year time frame.


12 posted on 01/11/2005 11:06:22 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Connecticut - The Construction State)
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A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Obviously, you would prefer to teleport.

Yes, ponzi schemes are illegal (so is murder, except Waco/Ruby Ridge and kidnapping, except Elian Gonzales [sp?]) but not when congress exempts themselves.
13 posted on 01/11/2005 11:06:37 AM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

And this is precisely what the conservatives who voted against Social Security predicted would happen. They would have been right long before this had the feds not been juggling the books the past 45 years to keep this scam going. Aborting 25% of the next generation of taxpayers while lengthening the life of the elderly only made the end come a little sooner.


14 posted on 01/11/2005 11:07:02 AM PST by kittymyrib
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The thing that caught my attention in this article was the 5 year time frame.

That's why I posted it. The people getting the loot, and the politicians handing out the loot to buy votes, are desperate to keep the music playing as long as possible. But we're still a few chairs short.

16 posted on 01/11/2005 11:16:46 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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Personally, I've been planning for the real crunch to begin somewhere in the 10 to 15 year time frame.


17 posted on 01/11/2005 11:36:37 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Connecticut - The Construction State)
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And Bush thinks he can "fix" this scam, instead of shutting it down. Sure, George; how, exactly, do you "fix" a Ponzi scheme?

Maybe if you cook up a scheme to throw "free" pills at the Sheeple, they won't notice.


1 posted on 01/11/2005 10:19:35 AM PST by Hank Rearden
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Raise taxes, Raise Retirement age and lower bennys to Future retirees.

In other words Jorge Will stick it to all those 50 and under. He aint got the balls to stare down AARP and the greedy old geezers.

One thing that pisses me off to no end, SSI COLA is based on the average wage increase of the year before of working Americans.

I received less than the average increase in Income over the past few years, but my Rich Relatives that are recieving SSI benifits out of my taxes all got Increases larger than ME? WTF! this stuff HAS to stop.

The whole Idea that the Poorest Generations alive are supporting the Richest is not only wrong, it is SICK.


18 posted on 01/11/2005 11:42:31 AM PST by Area51
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

Chain letters always have a way of coming to an end. Too bad the rulers pulled this on an unsuspecting public. They will pay the benefits if they have to let the presses roll 24/7, you can have confidence in that. Of course, 1 loaf of bread will bring 40 dollars by then.



11 posted on 01/11/2005 10:57:04 AM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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Unsuspecting? Hardly. There have been warning signs for Decades. They knew this would happen when the took the SSI budget and started dumping in the general fund in Johnsons Administration to pay for the Nam war.

The generations that recieve the most benefit out of it is also the Generation that controlled Congress for the past 30 years And now run AARP.

Watch as the Greedy old Geezers screw over their grandkids for a few extra dollars a month and not having to spend any of their nest egg.


19 posted on 01/11/2005 11:46:49 AM PST by Area51
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So true! If you die before you start collecting social security, your family gets NOTHING!! A wife can collect from her husband's share, but other than that -- ZILCH!! That has always bothered me. I am supporting everyone else, and maybe, just maybe, there will be something left for me -- NOT!


20 posted on 01/11/2005 11:48:32 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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