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The Truth About Separation Of Church And State (Exposing Leftist Lies)
Christian Underground ^ | Jan. 12, 2005 | Joseph Grant Swank

Posted on 01/11/2005 10:15:29 AM PST by Lindykim

The Christian Underground READ IT - LEARN FROM IT - PRAY OVER IT - SHARE IT --- The Truth About Separation Of Church And State By Joseph Grant Swank Jan 10, 2005

Liberals have run off with this phrase, prostituting it per usual.

The matter is simple. It's this: America does not want a state church. England has a state church — the Anglican Church. America does not want one denomination considered The Nation's Church. On the other hand, America has a religious heritage. It's not Muslim. It's not Hindu. It's not Shinto. It's not animism. It's not New Age. It's not Paganism. It's not Voodoo. It's Judeo-Christian. America, while not desiring a state church, does desire religion in life. That includes religious expression in everyday exchange. Because Judeo-Christian is America's heritage, most citizens honor that heritage expressed and honored. Its expression then should not be thwarted. It should not be belittled. It should not be erased in the name of "separation of church and state." Unhampered religious expression is promised in the First Amendment.

Further, America, having a Judeo-Christian heritage and the right to present-tense expression, permits freedom of religious expression to other religions. Therefore, there are those of other religious persuasions who practice without fear their religions in America.

What the liberals want to do is redefine the phrase "separation of church and state" to exclude Judeo-Christian religious expression in America. They want not only "separation of church and state" defined on their terms but the exclusion of the Judeo-Christian religion and anything coming close to that particular religious expression—period. Liberals believe that if they continue harping on the "separation of church and state" phrase, brainwashing the public with their prostituted definition, especially indoctrinating the next generation with their prostituted definition, then they will have won secularism for America's future.

They, in other words, want not only separation but exclusion of religion — completely so. Note however that the chief religion they want excluded is Judeo-Christian.

They will even tolerate other religions, as they are presently doing with the Muslim infiltration, but it is Judeo-Christian that they want cleansed from America. In other words, it's a religious cleansing they desire for this nation — the extinguishing specifically of the Judeo-Christian faith.

Therefore, if tolerating another religion such as Islam helps wipe out Judeo-Christianity, then so be it. Islam is far better a tolerance than the American heritage of Judeo-Christian. Therefore, there are school districts hiring Muslims to speak to teachers on how to give Muslim students honor and space. No such invitation, of course, has been extended to Judeo-Christian specialists speaking to public school educators on how to give Judeo-Christian adherents honor and space.

In a nearby high school, a prayer room was set aside for Muslim students. No such prayer room or any other respect has been presented those of the Judeo-Christian heritage.

Liberals, in other words, will do whatever it takes to obliterate America of its rightful Judeo-Christian heritage. This is accented every year particularly during the Christmas season. Any other so-called "religious expression" can come to the fore but the Christian particulars must be silenced at all costs. So we hear throughout the Christmas season, not Christian hymn carols, but "separation of church and state."

Once again, liberals have taken language to serve their own twisted purposes. They took "gay" and made it "homosexual." They took "pro-choice" and made it "protecting females." They take "separation of church and state" and make it "wiping out America's Judeo-Christian heritage."

What those of the Judeo-Christian heritage must do — and far more concertedly than they have ever done in the past — is to make clear to the public what "separation of church and state" really means. This must be put in print in magazines and journals. It must be preached from pulpits. It must be taught in religion classes. It must be spelled out in letters to the editor.

Unfortunately, this simply has not been done. The church in particular has permitted the liberals to carry on with their prostitution of the phrase. I have been appalled over the years to note that the church specifically has not risen to expose the liberals' misuse of that phrase. Therefore, the young have taken quickly to the liberals' definition while the church has sat, in the main, silent, allowing the enemy to win out.

Joseph Grant Swank, Jr., Pastor, New Hope Church, Windham ME Posted to the CU: 2005-01-10 03:06:28 CST ======================================== We will Pray WHEN we want School - WHERE we want Work - The Street - The Mall - Persecute Us At Your Own Peril! The Christian Underground ========================================

TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; aclu; billofrights; churchandstate; constitution; constitutionlist; firstamendment; usconstitution

1 posted on 01/11/2005 10:15:29 AM PST by Lindykim
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2 posted on 01/11/2005 10:16:14 AM PST by Lindykim
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3 posted on 01/11/2005 10:20:02 AM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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You can join the fight against the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) -

Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) -

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) -

The Rutherford Institute -

Stop the ACLU Coalition -

Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:

ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas

ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits

ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd

Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit

Additional information:

The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back

Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings

See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU

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Anti-ACLU Page

Let me know if you would like to join my ACLU ping list

4 posted on 01/11/2005 10:20:40 AM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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To: Lindykim
Also, many Americans believe that separation of church and state is provided for in the Bill of Rights or Constitution. You would not believe how many educated people believe this to be true.
5 posted on 01/11/2005 10:24:31 AM PST by lt.america (Captain was already taken)
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To: Lindykim

I would have put it

They take "wiping out America's Judeo-Christian heritage" and make it "separation of church and state."

Great post, otherwise!

6 posted on 01/11/2005 10:27:59 AM PST by jcb8199
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To: Lindykim
The foundation of U.S. law is the self-evident truth that all people are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.

They were not given these rights by government. They were not given them by some covenant. They were not given them by other people. These rights did not come through evolution from lower life forms.

They came from the Creator of human beings.

The acknowledgement of the Creator is the foundation of American law.

The American people need to keep this in their awareness, and anyone who seeks to expunge the recognition of God from American law should be stopped.

7 posted on 01/11/2005 10:29:39 AM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President George W. Bush!)
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To: Lindykim
It's Judeo-Christian.

I little more on the Christian than the Judeo.

As Charles Carroll, the only Catholic signer of the Declaration of Indpendence said, "When I signed the Declaration of Independence, I had in view not only our Independence from England, but the toleration of all sects professing the Christian religion, and communicating to them all equal rights."
8 posted on 01/11/2005 10:30:05 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: Lindykim
Many schools go out of the way to accommodate students celebrating Ramadan since they can not partake in the school lunch program. They will set aside rooms or special Ramadan Tables.

The problem is that teachers are taking out the Christian Religion and inculcating paganism, Gaia worship, earth worship, environmentalism, earth day, animal worship, vegetarianism, animal rights, paganism in the form of "tolerance" and homosexuality which is against God's natural law, Buddhism, etc. all issues which takes the focus away from the one and true God and his one and true image--humans. Most teachers' unions adopt an anti-Christian platform where they normally endorse candidates who are pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage, pro-environment, pro-animal rights, pro-United Nations, and so on.

They teach this "separation" of church and state malarkey in the schools, words that do not exist in the US Constitution and fail to point out the history of the Anglican Faith since Henry VII where it was mandatory to practice the Episcopal Religion where it was the "official" religion of England and where our Forefathers didn't want and "established" religion in the US.
9 posted on 01/11/2005 10:35:05 AM PST by Coleus (Let us pray for the 150,000 + victims of the tsunami and the 126,000 aborted Children killed daily)
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To: Lindykim
Why aren't churches and synagogues across the country raising their voices against this persecution? Do we just sit back and let them removal all vestiges of the Judeo-Christian aspects of our history from the public (and eventually the private) sphere?
10 posted on 01/11/2005 10:35:30 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: lt.america
"...You would not believe how many educated people believe this to be true."

Their "education" fell short of the mark and this respectful adjective is not deserved by those folks.
11 posted on 01/11/2005 10:39:02 AM PST by Chummy (Liberals -- the other Red meat.)
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To: Lindykim

The only problem with this article is that the author takes the phrase "separation of church and state" and treats it as though it is in the Constitution or something. It's like arguing about how much a unicorn weighs. There are no unicorns so why bother?

12 posted on 01/11/2005 10:39:49 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lindykim
The First Amendment's religion clause isn't about personal religious freedom at all; it's about 'establishments of religion' i.e. official churches, and what it says is that the federal government can't have one and can't interfere with the states that do (Massachusetts had one until 1833).

A nice point is that the prohibition against favoring one church or another is about this or that organization and not at all about religion. Thus, there is no First Amendment requirement to separate religion from state so long as the state's recognition of religion does not rise to the level of 'establishing' a particular church.

13 posted on 01/11/2005 10:51:46 AM PST by Grut
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14 posted on 01/11/2005 11:17:26 AM PST by brooklyn dave
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To: Lindykim
All I need to know about this topic and that nutjob Nudow is that "... and the free exercise thereof..." is really easy to understand.
15 posted on 01/11/2005 11:38:35 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: Lindykim

Heard par tof a bit on the 700 Club today about how the
ACLU has won a case in Tx. to have an old Bible displayed by a private group on the sidewalk in front of a Courthouse ordered removed as unconstitutional. Any posts on that yet? I weary of the freaks and Zekes thinking they can establish that failed Soviet Communist system here
do wish th eTexicans would remember the Alamo and rise to this latest attack on our society.

16 posted on 01/11/2005 11:54:37 AM PST by StonyBurk
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