Thoughts on the Pre-Adamic Period

1/10/2005 | Self

[katieanna]

Good morning Freepers!

I have been chewing on a message I heard from a minister last night that briefly made mention of the pre-Adamic period (that period between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2). Verse 2 in the NIV calls the earth "formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Sprit of God was hovering over the waters".

Many theologians believe that a flood occured wherein God destroyed all living creatures and that he began again with Adam. Some say Adam was not the first man because God ordered him and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply and REplenish the earth". This minister said that God would have said "plenish" if no other man had existed before.

I had previously dismissed all thought of Adam NOT being the first man. Upon hearing this message, I've been stirred.

Please share your thoughts with me and have a blessed day!

[Quix]

RIGHT.

[Quix]

RIGHT.

[Raycpa]

Satan creates chaos, not God

Satan can create ?

[dartuser]

One question that I often ask myself when thinking about strange theories is the following ...

What problem is there in the text of the Bible that requires this theory as its solution.

Death was introduced into the human race through Adam. The "Gappers" have never explained with theological rigor how death could have occurred before Adam. Instead, they claim without any Biblical evidence that the Pre-Adam race was not human ...

I say .... Whatever ... !

[Raycpa]

God is not a God of chaos, confusion, disorder, etc.

Was the flood orderly and nonchaotic ?

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

I have read those scriptures, and they don't conflict with the pre-adamite theory. For those who don't believe in Pre-Adamites: The Lord sent His Son as the second Adam to die for the sins of man, since sin came upon all by Adam's transgression, since all the world was in his loins when he sinned and fell. Christ came to die for Adam's race, not the pre-adamites who apparently were all destroyed and none spared.

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

Satan cannot create in the sense of making something out of nothing in the order of "Let there be light."

But Satan can 'create' in the sense of 'creating' the first lie. Jesus said that Satan is a liar and is the father of them(lies).

[dartuser]

What is your Biblical evidence for this claim ?

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

It was man's sin in the time of Noah that was disorderly and chaotic. Sin has brought havoc upon man even since Adam's time. The flood in Noah's time was judgement for sin. It restored order and swept away the sin of Genesis chapter 6 and the giants of that time.

[Raycpa]

Of course it doesn't contradict. The point is it doesn't confirm. The bible wasn't written to rebut every dumb idea that comes along. It was written to proclaim the truth. This idea borders on a heresy that the bible contains hidden secrets. This concept is dangerous. For what purpose is this speculation ? Doesn't Scripture say

16All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Why must you speculate about something that is omitted from scripture ? There is nothing to confirm this speculation in the NT, there is nothing in God's plan of salvation that requires it and there is nothing this speculation answers.

[Raycpa]

Can satan create lies without God's permission ?

[sinatorhellary]

Some say Adam was not the first man

Does this help?

1Cor 15:45 "So also it is written, The first man, Adam, became a living soul."

Paul seemed to think Adam was the first man. I'll cast my lot with Paul.

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

Have you never read of Jesus statement concerning satan being the originator of lies? Satan uttered the first lie. Jesus said satan is the father of them. Satan created the first lie, in fact, but not in the sense of creating in the order of "Let there be light."

[Raycpa]

The flood in Noah's time was judgement for sin.

So, God can use disorder and chaos in order to bring judgement. So, God can be the author of chaos so long as he is bringing judgement to his world.

[dartuser]

I meant the first part ... what is your Biblical evidence that Satan cannot create anything?

[frgoff]

Actually, the gap theory is a theory stating that God supposedly created the earth and the pre-adamites long before he restored the earth from the chaos that it was in when the Spirit of God hovered over the waters in Genesis 1:1-2.

This theory states that earth is billions of years old, but the present race of humans came around 10,000 years ago.

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Precisely. Man's understanding says the Earth is billions of years old. Therefore, we must find a way to make the Bible agree that the Earth is billions of years old.

Man's understanding says that life existed before Adam. Therefore, we must find a way to make the Bible agree.

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

The flood was not chaotic or disorderly. It restored the order that was there before the sin of Genesis 6 and swept away the giants that were in the earth at that time.

All of scripture must be in harmony. All of scripture from Genesis to Revelation shows that God is not the author of confusion, lies, misery, etc. Satan is. The world in Genesis 1:1-2 was in a state of disorder and confusion, when God's Spirit hovered over it.

God did not author the world in a state of confusion. Something happened to make it chaotic. God didn't say, "Let there be chaos." That would be contrary to His NATURE.

[katieanna]

Thank you friend. Bless the Lord. God's Word referenced in your post settles the matter for me!

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

No, science is apparently just lining up with what the Bible says concerning God's nature and how God operates. Science ultimately confirms God's word.

[hopespringseternal]

Many theologians believe

I don't care if they believe they are a ham sandwich. It doesn't matter.

The bible is the only way we know any hard facts about God. It represents what God wants us to know. Speculation of this sort is entirely groundless.