Posted on 12/31/2004 5:43:33 AM PST by white trash redneck
Yeah... Tell that to all the pot head Freepers on here! LOL!
But what the hey, you all(jesses jackson, mecha, and pat buchanan/tancredo followers) live on racial politics as your bread and butter.
Does this relate somehow to the the vast Tanton conspiracy? Sorry to be a bother, but I keep missing my racial politics meetings.
Here's where I would normally post something on this topic.
I no longer waste precious time to read or respond to mindless Open Borders arguments. I come to FR to get and exchange information with those who share my beliefs that we must protect our sovereign borders, and enforce our immigration laws.
I'm not here to trade elementary school insults with posters like you, who engage in liberal emotional hyperbole, or make endless NAACP style accusations of racism/bigotry.
This is a generic, pre-written message, stored in my word processor, under the file name:
"Generic Note to OBL FReepers who post to me."
This post only took 15 seconds of my life to copy and paste to your comment to me. Be advised, if you post to me again, you will get this same reply.
LOL! I have read Wolfie(#1 pro-pot suppoter on FR, IMO) all of the sudden become anti-immigrant.
There was a guy on the radio in Pittsburgh who filled in for Jim and Rose(WPGB, 104.7) in this slow talk radio week and towed this new "Libertarian" line and was ridiculed mercilessy for his trying to hide behind the immigrant line and his pushing the gay marriage line and other hillary social programs.
Your suggestion that it is a Hobson's choice is not very persuasive. There are ways to get the jobs to dry up for illegals over time that do not involve rewarding them for being illegal, as least not as much as the Bush plan does. I have posted one way, about 25 times. I am sure that you have read it. You bring in folks playing by the rules, and get THEM on the path to a green card and citizenship; their employers will have the bodies they need, and will lose interest over time with adequate enforcement to hire the wrong illegal bodies. The card and stick on the employers will harmonize like the polyphony of a Bach musical score.
Have no idea who Tanton is, but I do know you all on tancredo's side get all hot and bothered about people with Spanish surnames getting welfare, but are quiet when those with Anglo names are abusing the welfare system.
What good is verification if it's not mandatory and backed up by penalties for noncompliance? You still haven't addressed your inconsistencies.
You have two choices.
Your 2 choices are:
1. Let illegals and their employers remain unregistered and anonymous, or
2. Convince illegals to voluntarily register themselves (and their employers).
I know, I know, you hate those two above options, deny them, and insist upon some magical 3rd way, but those 2 options are all that actually exist.
I'm not persuaded that those are the only two choices, as convenient as it might be for you to magically circumscribe the conversation as though they were.
David Dreier believes that mandatory workplace verification will work. So do I.
Once registered, we can verify compliance. That's something that we simply can't do for 8 million anonymous illegals and more than 1 million anonymous illegal employers. The scope of the problem is simply too large (bigger than the roundup in Germany of 6 million during WW2).
There are more than eight million illegals, not all are employed, and not all who are employed will be able to verify employment. The ones who can we can already find through the workplace verification program once its mandatory.
Your raising of the completely unrelated Nazi spectre indicates a flailing quality to your position.
Absolutely, but that can be done without legalizing a single illegal alien.
Take HR 5111 and spice it up with some financial incentives for citizens and legal residents to report employers of illegal aliens.
Immigration & border and interior enforcement will be a large part of determinig my votes from here on.
Depending on how things go, it may well be the only factor in how I vote.
I wonder if there is any hope that a plan along the lines I suggested has any hope of passage? Would it have a better chance if illegals who do deport themselves and apply are given some kind of advantage in filling the available jobs? That still has a reward factor for illegals, but the slots they fill will be more carefully culled per the Bush plan for the "in the future" regime. Such a compromise strikes me as superior to the status quo ante.
Nope Tancredo does not have the Torie bonus point concept for green cards.
I'm firm in my support for *registering* illegals and their employers with our government. Avoiding that registration is the key to how they have thrived in the U.S. up to today.
I don't give a whit for penalties, incentives, anything...if registration and verification of existing illegals (and employers) aren't included with the plan.
Register them. We've got all sorts of options once 8 million illegals are convinced to register themselves and their employers.
Dane, give it up. The above is total crap. It would still be crap lite if you had said, the Tancredo types get all hot and bothered about illegal Hispanics getting welfare, but are quiet about Anglos abusing the welfare system.
Geez.
RE: The only factor as to how I vote.
Same here, I was in the trenches, and saw what happened to Cali.
I don't see any specific reward for illegal aliens as being productive, as it would come at the expense of the law abiding.
We've got voluntary workplace verification. Once mandatory verification passes, employers will be on notice to start culling illegals from their rolls. A Tancredo-style guest worker program could go into effect 6 to 12 months prior to mandatory verification. Illegal aliens who get the jump on self-deportation will have an advantage over those that don't.
Concurrent with the implementation of a mandatory workplace verification program the catch and release policy for illegal aliens would end, and illegals apprehended beyond that date should have biometric data taken, with the understanding that they would be forever disqualified for legal entry into the U.S.
This would give both illegals and employers a grace period before the hammer came down, with both positive and negative incentives for compliance.
OK, we pass a law requiring everybody to register, and the employers have one year thereafter to cease hiring anybody that is illegal, which illegals are now registered. Are we happy now?
I am interested in getting the freaking thing passed, not what is the perfect plan. I am interested if anything can be fashioned that can be enacted into law, and get Bush's support, that is better than the status quo ante. That was the thrust of my post.
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