Posted on 12/31/2004 4:22:22 AM PST by Ed Current
If it was between Hilllary! and Guliani, I would stay home and pack.
You want to deny the simple fact the Forbes in unelectable due to his overly-nerdish appearance, then fine. Send him boat loads of money if you like.
Me? I'll continue seeing him poll in the low single digets.
To those who stand bogged-down on the farthest left tangent, EVERYTHING and EVERYONE is to right of them. The far left/neoMarxists are so cemented in rigid orthodoxy, they suffer distorted and forestortened vision so that ALL appears as being on the far right. Delusion & myopia.
Well, if Steve Forbes wanted to create a macho image, he could always borrow unfit John Kerry's Goose hunting gear, can't he? False images, PC facades and stereotypes are not reliable references for the presidency.
Guys who wear glasses are four-eyed sissies, aren't they?
If one bits one's lower lip, like Clinton does, one shows compassion, right?
Better get used to President Giuliani.
The constantly-bleating, haranguing, gun-to-the-head, "I'm gonna sit at home again", "I'm so pure, I wouldn't even vote for myself", utopian, cranky, self-appointed but not representative, keyboard-spamming 'voices of social conservatism' will sooner or later find fault with almost every primary candidate and end-up splitting their vote, while simultaneously ticking off most primary voters because they NEVER SHUT UP, even for a second.
Keep up with the daily 'bash-Rudy', 'bash CINO-Bush', 'bash the party heathens', 'we are owed and we want everything yesterday', and 'everybody is a RINO but me' threads and the re will be a bit of an undercurrent backlash and schadenfraude when Rudy emerges as the GOP candidate. Right now he isn't my first choice, but I'll support him in the general should he win the primary(and I'd bet money that he will.)
You may not what to hear that, but consider it helpful advice. Annoyance is not the path to victory.
Giuliani is his own worst enemy in elections.
Even if Giuliani somehow manages to overcome all his liberal stances to even be considered a GOP contender for President his character will hurt him. This man doesnt know a thing about loyalty or doing what is right. Giuliani has a habit of ENDORSING DEMOCRATS and speaking highly of them. He has that "Mavrick" element the media loves, but GOP voters will hate.
His personal probelms are another major issue. If the GOP nominates this guy we all look like such big hypocrits. The party of Family Values nominated a degenerate womanizer.
If Hillary were to become the nominee she would push his buttons to the limit becaue Guiliani has a major TEMPER problem. In 1993 when he ran he joined the police protest who wanted higher pay and started cursing on TV spewing the F Word. That will not play out well across the South and Mid West. If Giuliani loses his temper in a debate can you say President Hillary Clinton.
The list of whats wrong with Giuliani goes on an on. Make no mistake Giuliani was a great mayor compared to the other garbage NYC has to offer, which isnt hard to top. In NYC if you believe in punishing criminals you are considered a hard right winger. For Mayor, Senator, and Governor I would vote for Giuliani in a heartbeat, but as for President Hell NO.
What is the difference between Giuliani and a liberal Democrat? There is none.
You might say the War on Terror but Giuliani is so in favor of wide open borders he would allow another 9/11 to happen just to keep them open.
All these pundits for Giuliani on this board have no idea who they are talking about. People here live in denial and talk about a candidate the way they want him to be rather than is in reality. Giuliani in their fantasy is the guy who can beat Hillary and save the GOP, when in reality Giuliani will drag down anything he touches. If it wasn't for 9/11 Giuliani would have been nowhere, and he cant ride on that mayor of America thing until 2008. So please dont be calling elections that are 4 years away.
Cheney/Rumsfeld 2008 would be great other great GOP contenders are Tom Delay, Bill Owens, Mark Sanford. If this past election taught us anything it is that America is heading to the right and craves for a Conservative candidate. Im not sure who that viable candidate is right now, but I know for sure all these Rinos mentioned will only lead to defeat.
Lemme help you out, no one outside of a few cranks believes such ridiculous hyperbole. Any legimite criticism gets washed away with such over the top statements, because people will simply tune you out as a crank with no credibility. If too many of his critics discredit themselves and their message by acting like the stereotypes of 'rabid right-wing partisans' who will say anything to discredit those they disagree with, then pretty soon those criticisms lose their effect, despite their validity. This likely will produce a degree of the 'Teflon Effect' with Giuliani (much as it did with Clinton), increasing the likelihood of his election.
Giuliani has no chance at all of winning the GOP nomination or Presidency. Who will vote for Giuliani in the primary and in the general election?
Guys who wear glasses are four-eyed sissies, aren't they? If one bits one's lower lip, like Clinton does, one shows compassion, right?
Nothing you've posterd here is relevent in the real world. Not even where you speak for me. Imagine that?
Steve Forbes has a very interesting message, but he's unelectable. Remember the Iowa straw poll back in 1999? Where he outspent everyone by a TON and still did miserably bad? Plus, he's never held elective office. And on top of all that, regardless of his glasses, he's a dork. That's the simple truth.
Or...Do you really think Dennis Kucinich is electible regardless of his appearance? Lots of libs bash other libs for speaking the cold, hard truth about him too.
Sorry if you don't agree with reality, but that's not my problem.
And about his ex, Ms. Hanover, she was hanging with the Vagina Monologues crowd. She may even have performed with that man-hating trash -- one can only support a man who had the guts to leave a freaky chick like that.
Well, if Steve Forbes wanted to create a macho image, he could always borrow unfit John Kerry's Goose hunting gear, can't he? False images, PC facades and stereotypes are not reliable references for the presidency.
Guys who wear glasses are four-eyed sissies, aren't they? If one bits one's lower lip, like Clinton does, one shows compassion, right?
"Nothing you've posterd here is relevent in the real world. Not even where you speak for me. Imagine that?"
My sarcasim does not "speak for" you. Obviously, it soars over your lack of imagination.
"Steve Forbes has a very interesting message, but he's unelectable...Plus, he's never held elective office. And on top of all that, regardless of his glasses, he's a dork. That's the simple truth."
Forbes positive attributes:
Has interesting message; has never held an elective (political)office; wears glasses and is not a demagogue.
"Sorry if you don't agree with reality, but that's not my problem."
Your sense of reality is merely an expressed biased ("dork") assessment of Forbes based on your superficial ("dork") value system. You've been watching "West Wing."
You are absolutely correct. A Guiliani candidacy will result in a Democrat president. What do you think about Governor Sanford? He's my man at this point.
So would you rather have Hillary?
Sanford seems like he would make a good candidate, but not sure if he can get enough traction to win the nomination. Pawlenty is another good choice.
However you are delusional if you think a Giuliani who survived the primaries wouldn't win in the general. Only Colin Powell might draw a bigger general vote, but he would have an even tougher time winning in the primaries.
If Rudy runs against Hitery and wins I will think about voting for him.
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