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Who Forgot China?
WEEKLY STANDARD.COM ^ | DECEMBER 30, 2004 | TOM DONNELLY

Posted on 12/30/2004 8:15:56 PM PST by CHARLITE

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1 posted on 12/30/2004 8:15:57 PM PST by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE
The argument is essentially that the United States is a slipping superpower, leading to a "multipolar" world in which Beijing's interests will be given great weight.

Got to consider who wrote this and who it was intended for. Our own assessments by many of our strategic scholars say that it is very likely that this century will be an "American" century, with the US dominating world affairs militarily and economically for some time to come. Its a matter of which soothsayers you believe.

2 posted on 12/30/2004 8:25:25 PM PST by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior force is the ONLY cure)
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To: CHARLITE
Good post...China is why Iran is an immediate problem (and as of this week, Russia is helping with that nasty Iranian UFO problem)...

Yo, Mullah, get that last kiss from your scattered pearls...

We are sending you a one way ticket to Paradise.

3 posted on 12/30/2004 8:28:57 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: CHARLITE

"the United States is realigning and reinforcing is military presence in [the Asia-Pacific] region by buttressing military alliances and accelerating deployment of missile defense systems."

Doesn't sound to me like we've "forgotten" about China...and yes the Chinese have indeed noticed!


4 posted on 12/30/2004 8:33:45 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: CHARLITE

So long as we can get stuff cheaper at Wal-Mart, we don't need to worry about little things like this.


5 posted on 12/30/2004 8:39:33 PM PST by shuckmaster
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To: Magnum44

If we don't wake-up to the growing menace of the Commie Chinese, it's going to be too late.

It's curious as to where the 'insurgents', i.e. murderous terrorists, are getting continued funding and logistical support. From Syria? Yes. From Iran? Yes. From N. Korea? From Russia? Most likely. From China? For one, I think so, because of their relationships with many of the other players.

Better they spill US blood in a surrogate war than to confront us head-on until a time of their choosing.

We need to cut to the chase, and get serious, both economically and militarily and crush the Great Dragon before they grow any more powerful.

If Bush fails, we'll be on the glide slope to ruin.


6 posted on 12/30/2004 8:47:11 PM PST by pikecountyrepublican ("It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both. - Machiavelli)
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To: pikecountyrepublican
We need to cut to the chase, and get serious, both economically and militarily and crush the Great Dragon before they grow any more powerful.

So what do you suggest? Declare war now? Don't just wave your fist and shout. Tell me your plan. Do you know what we already do, how we've prevented war in the TW straits for half a century?

7 posted on 12/30/2004 8:54:28 PM PST by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior force is the ONLY cure)
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I suggest discussing the white elephant in the room and declare what China really is...a sponsor of terrorism


8 posted on 12/30/2004 9:05:24 PM PST by pikecountyrepublican ("It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both. - Machiavelli)
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I suggest discussing the white elephant in the room and declare what China really is...a sponsor of terrorism

Good ahead. You first. :^)

9 posted on 12/30/2004 9:29:13 PM PST by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior force is the ONLY cure)
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To: CHARLITE
But then came the invasion and, more significantly, the occupation, of Iraq. The U.S. military, which had seemed entirely invincible, now seemed to be bogged down in an interminable quagmire.

What garbage. When the elections are held it will be the crossroads, not for us but for Iraq. If the country is then ready to back its new government and begin the process of becoming a coherent country then we will more than likely stay and help. If the country decides to devolve into civil war then I see us withdrawing to the north to protect the Kurds and let the rest fight it out. These elections are Iraq's last chance to put up or shut up and we will act accordingly.

10 posted on 12/30/2004 9:36:14 PM PST by Texasforever (It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chew your butt out all day long.)
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To: risk; tallhappy; maui_hawaii

"Beijing is "kicking our asses all over the region"

I hate to say it, but there is some truth in that statement. The Chicoms are slowly, but surely gaining a serious foothold over the Americans on the international stage and uless the Bush adminstration wakes up to face the threat posed by Beijing, it's only going to get worse.


11 posted on 12/30/2004 9:45:34 PM PST by Dr. Marten
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To: Magnum44

I did.

I boycott products made in China.


12 posted on 12/30/2004 9:46:44 PM PST by pikecountyrepublican ("It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both. - Machiavelli)
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To: Magnum44

pikecountyrepublican is right. We need to stand up to China. They way we do that is through far more aggresive support of Taiwan. We need to be the ones forcing the issue and playing on offense. That's the way we do it. The author is absolutely right: trading Baghdad for Tapei isn't much of a trade at all, in fact, if I had to choose one or the other, I'd MUCH sooner go with Taipei.


13 posted on 12/30/2004 10:49:24 PM PST by 7thVulcan (Kick their A**, take their Gas)
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To: Magnum44
Do you know what we already do, how we've prevented war in the TW straits for half a century?

I do not believe this to be true. China has not yet ever been in a position to attack Taiwan -- with or without our presence.

But the policy has actually had the exact opposite effect -- it has fed and sustained the possibility or such a miscalculation on the part of the Chinese that they could start a war. We have kept the war rhetoric alive for half a century and the current chest pounding is a staple of Chinese policy after 50 years. It has kept the Chinese threat alive for 50 years to a point where they may be in a psoition to launch a completely self destructive war over what should have become a non-issue 40 years ago.

Rather than prevent war in the straits it has prolonged the possibility for 50 years when it could have and should have been settled at least 40 years ago.

14 posted on 12/31/2004 12:18:57 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Dr. Marten
I hate to say it, but there is some truth in that statement.

Me too. And this is from AEI, a very staunch conservative non-sensationalist academic institution. They are very pro-Bush adminsitration. I am the same way. I am very pro-Bush and greatly supportive and appreciative, but in this area they are letting the communist play them like a drum and it is not good.

What's worse about this is that initially the Bush administration did not act in this manner. The strategic competitor label was actually quite apt and well described the situation.

15 posted on 12/31/2004 12:22:58 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: 7thVulcan
They way we do that is through far more aggresive support of Taiwan.

Absolutely.

China can and will do little about it. The people of China are not interested in kicking Taiwan's butt and the communist PR to the contrary is heavy.

The time to have done this was immediately after 911. We should have docked a carrier in Kaohsiung, quietly with little fanfare.

After 911 China needed to be told that their obsessive brinmanship with regard to Taiwan was a luxery the US and the world no longer has the time or patience to put up with -- that there are now actual serious issues to address that affect all nations participating in the world wide economy.

16 posted on 12/31/2004 12:28:26 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy
You can forget Taiwan, the Chicoms have already won and the US will not lift a finger to prevent the Chicoms from invading. 40 years ago, twenty years ago, maybe even 2 years ago we could have forced the issue to our satisfaction but now the Chicoms have won, they will pick a time of their choosing and then it's bye bye Taiwan and then bye bye pacific rim.
17 posted on 12/31/2004 1:13:17 AM PST by jpsb
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You can forget Taiwan, the Chicoms have already won and the US will not lift a finger to prevent the Chicoms from invading

The same comments were made about Taiwan in 1972 and even more so in 1979.

I've seen commentaries from those time periods after Kissinger and Nixon made friends with Mao and after Carter officially dropped diplomatic relations with Taiwan that it was obvious and inevitable that within a few years Taiwan would make a deal with China etc...

Didn't happen.

18 posted on 12/31/2004 1:32:00 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy

No didn't happen but the writting was on the wall. There is the small matter of transporting a large number of troops over the 100 miles of open seas, something that the US Navy used to be able to prevent with ease, not so any longer, the Chicom Navy is very powerful in and around Tiawan. Now it would be a real fight, and the US can no longer afford a real fight with as powerful a force has China. Nope Tiawan is gone and yall had better start worring about Japan. I am pretty sure some face saving deal similar to the Hong Kong deal will be worked out, unless China feels like rubbing our noses in the dirt.


19 posted on 12/31/2004 2:19:40 AM PST by jpsb
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To: pikecountyrepublican

I agree totally....read "Unrestricted Warfare" http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/0971680728/ref=dp_primary-product-display_0/102-2651329-6380951?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=507846&s=books

It gives some insight as to China's long term thinking.


20 posted on 12/31/2004 2:49:23 AM PST by Preech1 (If it's not a baby, then you are not pregnant...)
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